Fan behavior update

[dunning1874]

"Punishments as harsh as 2-year bans are a complete disgrace, in regards to what those banned have been accused of"

Let's hear it then, what's an appropriate punishment for attacking people after every game for months? For lobbing missiles on pitches, for starting brawls on Sinclair St and trying to storm the Hamilton bus needing half a dozen wagons to turn up, for costing the club the best part of £10K? Once again a refusal to acknowledge that this behaviour is totally unacceptable and no one else wants to see it.

[Toby]

2 minutes ago, dunning1874 said:

"Punishments as harsh as 2-year bans are a complete disgrace, in regards to what those banned have been accused of"

Let's hear it then, what's an appropriate punishment for attacking people after every game for months? For lobbing missiles on pitches, for starting brawls on Sinclair St and trying to storm the Hamilton bus needing half a dozen wagons to turn up, for costing the club the best part of £10K? Once again a refusal to acknowledge that this behaviour is totally unacceptable and no one else wants to see it.

Finishing off with “something that we will not accept” is an absolute belter.

Open your eyes, lads. You’re not in the position to be dictating anything to anyone, here. You’ve done wrong, hold your hands up to it and work with the club in order to improve behaviour and rebuild your relationship with the club and the rest of the fanbase.

On a positive note, the rest of us should now be okay for tickets to Lesser Hampden next season.

[irnbru]

The weirdest thing about these groups (for all teams) is they seem to enjoy finding things to 'protest' about as much as the football. 

Maybe I'm just old but the whole thing seems like it's more about hanging about with their mates and following a trend than actually supporting a team. 

[TONofmemories]

Im on the fence in regards the whole scene. Doesn't bother me so much and it's good to have active support. That said, you can't be causing trouble and crying about retrospective punishment IMO. 

[para]

I was at a match in the EFL a number of years ago when there were flares being let off

I young person had to have oxygen as he could not breath due to fumes

When I was about 10 many many years ago some person dropped a match on my foot and it burnt a hole and my foot I was banned from going for a few weeks - it wasnt my fault Around the same time I always wondered why old firm fans threw full bottles of lager.Yet we see on TV rugby matches with people having pints lined up on the pitch side no problem

Most of these lads are exactly that, kids who get dragged into things maybe with a sneaky jaggy sweetie to help

As has been said they are not good ambassadors of the club

Bring back Hals non invaders club

[dunning1874]

20 minutes ago, para said:

I was at a match in the EFL a number of years ago when there were flares being let off

I young person had to have oxygen as he could not breath due to fumes

This happened at Dumbarton a couple of weeks ago, with two people needing medical attention as a result of breathing issues it caused. In response they've gone down the route of adopting the no under-16s attending without a responsible adult policy that we've also had, as under 16s can't be searched so there's nothing to stop them bringing pyro in and they can't afford the fines that come with it, particularly just now with being in administration.

Far better to go with punishing culprits directly as Morton have here if they can be identified rather than a blanket policy, but it's another example of us being far from alone in having problems with young fans.

[vikingTON]

8 hours ago, irnbru said:

I saw a few people mentioning Partick fans getting into the Cowshed as if that was some sort of excuse too but it's a pretty flawed argument. 

In what way? They breached the conditions of entry - en masse - and jeopardised the security of an SPFL match in the process. So where is the sanction for that? When did PC Plod turning up outside their pigeon coop bin of a ground and demanding that Something Must Be Done? 

Perhaps rather than an 'excuse', what people might have in mind is a degree of consistency. Rather than focusing entirely on a target that certainly isn't doing itself any favours with daft statements, but is also quite convenient for everyone who is old now to get sanctimonious about*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*and yet continue to have songs about the 'MSC' in their accepted repertoire). 

 

 

[bob_the_builder]

3 hours ago, TONofmemories said:

Im on the fence in regards the whole scene. Doesn't bother me so much and it's good to have active support. That said, you can't be causing trouble and crying about retrospective punishment IMO. 

Personally I’ve went from not being bothered about it to soundly hating it.  It’s the sense of entitlement from these mobs at nearly every club, especially the old firm, when they’re called out that really rile me now.
Who held the ceremony that placed these cretins at the top of some sort supporters pyramid? 

[Pedrodelawasp]

I will likely sound very old saying this… but I just don’t understand them as a group (or any of the self-styled ‘Ultras’)

Their IG page has pictures of them all in black with their faces blurred or masked - actively trying to manufacture a reputation for being dangerous, intimidating and implicitly unlawful, in that they need to try and hide their identities. Yet, among their numbers they expect to be immune from consequences of their actions.

“We’re passionate about making a good atmosphere.” If that’s all the group as a whole was doing that would be brilliant. Clearly, though, some of them have been picking fights, disturbing other punters and acting in legitimately dangerous ways. If some of the seven have been wrongly tarred because of those around them I hope that can be rectified - but I would also encourage the boys to check each other for the negatives and aspire to be better than some of the other groups they’re running up against rather than mimicking them.

ETA: they have videos shared on IG that are almost entirely blurred out and with no sound - rendering them utterly pointless. I really don’t get that.

TLDR: I don’t get it.

Edited March 6 by Pedrodelawasp

[Chicken_Soup]

Well it’ll be interesting to see their response when the boycott goes completely unnoticed. If they’re genuine fans they’ll filter back in after their wee huff but if they’re just using Morton as a vehicle for their “hooligan” aspirations they’ll fall away and nobody will miss them. 
 

If nothing else, it shows a staggering lack of appreciation from a group that has been given a lot of support from the club. Hope we enjoy an absolute cracker on Saturday without them. 

[AyrshireTon]

Interesting that it says they won’t be taking up their usual place, rather than  not actually attending.

[Pedrodelawasp]

32 minutes ago, AyrshireTon said:

Interesting that it says they won’t be taking up their usual place, rather than  not actually attending.

This was a follow up to a previous post where they said they wouldn’t be attending. I assume that’s still the case.

I wonder if they’ll be milling about on Sinclair Street to voice their displeasure.

[CM48]

Their loss today. What a brilliant game!

Amazing to be in the shed at the end where almost no one left until the whole team, and then Dougie, came over to acknowledge the support. 
Best day for a long time!

[Mr.Blue]

There was a group of them standing at the car park in Sinclair Street watching the game.

[bob_the_builder]

1 hour ago, Mr.Blue said:

There was a group of them standing at the car park in Sinclair Street watching the game.

If I was the club I’d have instructed the police to go up there and move them on, it’s not public ground they’re on. They’ve went from increasing the costs at games with their behaviour to now withholding funds from the fan owned club they claim to support because they’re in a huff? They can all do one as far as I’m concerned.

[AyrshireTon]

The Ayr fans further up the WDE were not impressed by their ultra who threw the firework (or whatever) onto the park.

[vikingTON]

21 minutes ago, bob_the_builder said:

If I was the club I’d have instructed the police to go up there and move them on, it’s not public ground they’re on. They’ve went from increasing the costs at games with their behaviour to now withholding funds from the fan owned club they claim to support because they’re in a huff? They can all do one as far as I’m concerned.

Get off your high horse please - there are folk standing up there every week. And if they've bought a season ticket already, the club loses no money at all. 

They're perfectly entitled to stand outside the ground (it's hardly an equivalent viewpoint anyway) - just as a previous generation of Morton fans did to protest previous ownership decisions. That you don't agree with their arguments or quite clearly their presence at all are really not grounds for police action. 

A fan-owned club with all our direct competition throwing bad money after bad is not in the position to turn groups of fans away because they rip the knitting of others, or because they don't agree with a club decision. FWIW, I think the club has handled this issue reasonably well - a line was clearly crossed with misbehaviour that had to ve punished - but no one is served by trying to villify those who ended up on the wrong end of that decision acting on their sense of grievance in a completely non-disruptive way.

The majority of those outside the ground should in the long term be integrated and brought back in - the lion's share of change to do that will have to come from them of course - but sanctimonious calls for the polis to get involved are not helpful. 

Edited March 8 by vikingTON

[The Bewilderedbeast]

31 minutes ago, AyrshireTon said:

The Ayr fans further up the WDE were not impressed by their ultra who threw the firework (or whatever) onto the park.

Didn't witness, but I hear there was a bit of handbags at Cartsdyke Station with fireworks being thrown. 

[TRVMP]

4 hours ago, CM48 said:

Their loss today. What a brilliant game!

Amazing to be in the shed at the end where almost no one left until the whole team, and then Dougie, came over to acknowledge the support. 
Best day for a long time!

Have to admit, I was turning to walk away at full time until I noticed I was the only one. Proper shamed into staying to clap them off. 

I'm going to piece together various flight receipts tomorrow but I reckon that's the first win I've seen in the flesh since we beat Stenny 3-2 ten years ago in February, the Peaso and Declan-inspired comeback. 

Edited March 8 by TRVMP

[irnbru]

12 minutes ago, TRVMP said:

Have to admit, I was turning to walk away at full time until I noticed I was the only one. Proper shamed into staying to clap them off. 

I'm going to piece together various flight receipts tomorrow but I reckon that's the first win I've seen in the flesh since we beat Stenny 3-2 ten years ago in February, the Peaso and Declan-inspired comeback. 

It was a better atmosphere at the end. Wee guys following a fashion to wear black hoodies, sing a song about hooligans and bang a drum that's out of tune isn't adding much.