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Aye, there's got to be a balanced approach. Obviously there's costs, etc and it's not pure profit but 1000 people paying £20 a ticket is 20 grand so if the crowds keep dropping and there's less interest in hospitality it pays for itself (if the new manager can turn things around). That said, the current board and club staff have no footballing experience at all and Estrella do. Could be a case of holding off to get their input into the recruitment process.

It's not really a serious question. It's suggesting the club is run by committee. I don't want Murray to stay in his job but it's not up to MCT members to decide that and it would be a ridiculous situation to get the begging bowl out to pay someone off while they're still having to do the job.

That's our only hope. If you're up against it with money and players than at least be hard to beat and play against and turn games into scraps. Not good to watch but need a manager to use to our advantage as much as they can - he doesn't have it in him.

7 games without a goal is a terrible run regardless of budget. Need to somehow cut our losses with Murray.

It's a application to be on the board to represent the members though. I'd expect all candidates to say something like "I'll make sure our members are engaged and listened to and try to create a better working relationship with the club". Taking about restoring dependence on home grown talent isn't really something for MCT to do in my opinion. In both ex-players case their knowledge of football and contacts will help but this is supposed to be a statement on why they should be voted onto the MCT board and they don't say that. Their statements are about how they'd help the club and, for me, miss the mark on what MCT needs and read more like an application to be on the club's board. FWIW, I think Anderson's is a lot closer to the mark than McMaster - when he gets to what he'd like to do in the last paragraph it's more of a pitch to be a director of football or something.

He talks about running a football club and about home grown talent. None of that is the remit of MCT. Not doubting he's genuine and would be of value but the MCT board is there to represent it's members and essentially hold the club to account.

Both of them have also written their application like they'd be working for the club. We really need people that understand what MCT is and what GMFC is. At face value what's been said and skills are fine but MCT isn't there to run the club, it's there to facilitate community ownership and manage this on behalf of its members.

Thought Brophy was decent. Worked hard and good link up play but was a bit isolated.

Pretty pleased with yesterday despite the loss. We know we're up against it this season but there was enough fight and organisation in the team to give a bit of hope. Players got a good reception at the end too so hopefully we can get a bit of a siege mentality at least at Cappielow. Thought the midfield actually looked quite good. Sandilands looks like he could be better than Lyall with a bit more strength, Cochrane gets about his business effectively and Wilson was at his best so a good core to the team. Thought all the younger players showed some promise too so the thin squad is less of a worry. Black done what was asked of him but looked tired as the game went on and inexperience showed at times but with Ballantyne added that time I'm a lot more confident we'll be OK.

Can sign players without clubs too I think.

Fwiw, being the first team to never score in the league cup is a disgrace. I could get ten mates who'd easily get better stats against us (and have done around the same time of the season).

Send a link into football club version of right move. If anyone genuinely wanted the count they could have it. The only reason a business would wait if to get is at the very lowest point (Easdales style) but if that's their approach rather than being genuine do we actually want it?

If anyone genuinely wanted to invest in us to be for the club they'd have done it. There's a local business who make money from either forcing other companies out of business or waiting to get the best possible deal for them - I'd rather take a chance on fan ownership than a couple of chancers who could help if they wanted rather than only when it was better for them.

MCT have put to the members a proposal that an external company get a third of the shares. A company who have openly said profit for them comes through successful clubs and one who will have two board members. Do you think they'll be happy just to let some unknown take the rest? It's not great right now but some mystical figure taking over just because we say we for sale isn't really an option.

Yeah, good to fill the bench but, assuming the initial agreement is based on the parent club getting some assurances about game time, it might not always be a good thing since it's a fairly limited pool - players have to be under 21, Scottish and can only three at the same time. I get the concept of it but haven't really seen much evidence of success.

I know someone who approached them with an offer that was rejected and there was no negotiation. Last place I worked offered to sponsor St Mirren and they were desperate to work out something that worked for both and sorted something in a couple of days. We're a joke outfit.

They've hidden for weeks.

Estrella is our last hope - an investor that needs good performance rather than one that's a vanity project like the last few. The problem is the club board have been a disaster and wasted investment while being ego driven. The difficulty for MCT is being able to get in a position of influence whennthey don't have a day to day involvement. We need a board that understand MCT are the owners and the members are who they are accountable to and an MCT board who hold the MCT board accountable for shortfallings. I'm unsure if either of these are possible with volunteers.

I'm hoping MCT have been updated too and have a follow up.

The biggest problem for me is we had investment/ are getting investment. The people running the club have blown it.

It's easy to say sell the club but is anyone going to want it in its current state? MCT are currently facilitating 35% being sold so there is additional money coming in and avenues explored. For me, they're doing their job in that respect rather than just giving up and gambling the club's future with an unknown investor (or a known local one who some mention but seem to be out for themselves only given the reason they left before). I'm hoping we can hold off any decisions about part time, etc until we can see if Estrella make a difference in the day to day running of the club. They've been quite open in saying they want successful and professionally run clubs to drive up the value of their own business and potentially looking at selling for a profit further down the line - even if the current board and employees aren't capable of driving the club forward, a significant shareholder who's invested a lot of money will surely be looking to push that along. That said, there were positive noises coming out at the end of last season but the pitch being a mess, Cappielow being filthy, lack of friendlies, etc are all worrying and contradict that and the people running the club need to be accountable for that in the here and now. The one thing I would like from MCT to it's members is a bit more detail on what Murray is talking about with all the difficulties. Are we really in as bad a position as he's making out or is it an excuse? I'm still fairly optimistic about Estrella pushing us forward but we can't just rely on that and stumble along until their influence kicks in.

Not convinced by Kinnear - a couple of good saves but saves you'd expect most keepers to make. Seemed a bit scared to come off his line despite his size. Gorman was promising - few daft stepovers and things that might work at a lower level that he'll need to cut out his game but enough to show he'll at least not be one of the many Adam Coakley type figures we've have.

Fenced off bit of the cowshed covered in bird droppings and loads of rubbish too. Weeds growing in the sinclair street toilet as well. Along with the squinty lines on the park with patches of dying grass, it feels like lots of things about the club are being neglected.

Absolutely terrible performance. A very short pre season is no excuse for being outplayed all over the park against Linlithgow Rose.

Finished bottom of their league and relegated.