Thread About Ex Player

[Mr.Blue]

19 hours ago, ChampTon said:

Everyone knew players such as Williams and Weatherson (who I love), the Maisanos and Chris Millar were out drinking until early in the morning on match day and/or involved in an alleged betting scandal. People still remember them fondly. 

Hell, Weatherson assaulted a fan in a local shitehole. 

But again, it's what you want to remember.

That's a fair amount of allegations being thrown about. 

[TRVMP]

4 hours ago, centralTON said:

NOPE! just not having that and disappointed that no one else has flagged this up.

Maybe in your Texas hick town, but not here. I have been in and out of various hospitals in Larbert and Glasgow over the last few months and i can assure you that the nurses and indeed any hospital staff I have encountered have been absolutely superb and the treatment from the NHS in general has been outstanding.

That's fine, I still hate nurses. 

[TRVMP]

36 minutes ago, Mr.Blue said:

That's a fair amount of allegations being thrown about. 

The more time has elapsed the less the betting scandal makes sense. Was it an outright bet on Airdrie to win the league? That was an open question because it relied not just on our collapse but their good run of form. Or were the players just going on an exchange like Betfair and laying Morton to win the league? That seems unlikely to be worth it as the market wouldn't be that popular and the odds would soon drift. Above all, any decent amount of money to make such a bet - bearing in mind multiple players had to be in on it - worth it would surely raise red flags, even back then when corruption tracking was less sophisticated. 

[Jamie_M]

10 hours ago, capitanus said:

One player from that era that really got on my tits was Dominic Shimmin.  He could play, but had a terrible attitude.  A real waste of talent.

Been expecting that name to drop into the debate.

The only 2 players I have known to refuse to play - either to engineer a move or through feigning injury because they couldn't be arsed - are him and Bachirou, both of whom were amongst the most talented players we have had and both held with complete disdain by many as a result.

Unlike the other wild allegations thrown into the mix.

[Jamie_M]

10 hours ago, TRVMP said:

He was easily top flight standard. Possibly higher, i.e. the English second tier. Think he packed it in for a career in DJing or something.

If he wasn't into football, fair enough, but he had a flair for it and would have probably made more money in the sport than he would in music.

Aye, cracking player deservedly held in disdain for disrespecting the club regardless of his reasons.

It's rare but it happens - good at it but don't really like it, see it as a job. Fans don't understand it because they see a career in football as a dream and what's not to love?

Ben White of Arsenal getting a lot of flack for that at the moment because he told England he can't be arsed with a call up. Just wants to do his job, go home, not do overtime.

[Cet Homme Charmant]

19 minutes ago, Jamie_M said:

Been expecting that name to drop into the debate.

The only 2 players I have known to refuse to play - either to engineer a move or through feigning injury because they couldn't be arsed - are him and Bachirou, both of whom were amongst the most talented players we have had and both held with complete disdain by many as a result.

Unlike the other wild allegations thrown into the mix.

I can't remember Shimmin being held in distain, at least on here, before he downed tools. I thought he was pretty much universally liked, as a player. 

Not so Fred who had a significant number of detractors on here throughout him time with us. That always perplexed me a bit as any time I saw him, which admittedly was only a few times, he was comfortably the best player in the team. For some reason he never seemed to be fully accepted or appreciated by some. That's of course no excuse for what he eventually did to engineer a transfer.

Edited May 26 by Cet Homme Charmant

[Jamie_M]

12 hours ago, TRVMP said:

The likelier scenario is you're sucking up to Foaud Bachirou, who in all probability has forgotten he ever played in Greenock and will never set foot in the town again, 

I think some of his fanboys hold out some hope because he has spoke in the past about never ruling it out but also because when he left for Sweden he packed a Greenock burd with him - now a Greenock wife.

3 minutes ago, Cet Homme Charmant said:

I can't remember Shimmin being held in distain, at least on here, before he downed tools. I thought he was pretty much universally liked, as a player. 

Not so Fred who had a significant number of detractors on here throughout him time with us. That always perplexed me a bit as any time I saw him, which admittedly was only a few times, he was comfortably the best player in the team. For some reason he never seemed to be fully accepted or appreciated by some. That's of course no excuse for what we eventually did to engineer a transfer.

Aye, purely meant after the downing - most saw a cracking player when he was up for it.

[SpoonTon]

For me the thing is that I've never seen any evidence of the allegations against Fred, or heard anyone at the club at the time say anything bad about him. I don't even know the particularities. 

So why should I call him names or criticise him based on the hearsay of others. The facts that I know are he left, we got some decent money out of it, and we went on to win promotion that season. From the position of the knowledge I have, I'm not sure what I have to complain about. 

[Hej]

6 hours ago, Jamie_M said:

Aye, cracking player deservedly held in disdain for disrespecting the club regardless of his reasons.

It's rare but it happens - good at it but don't really like it, see it as a job. Fans don't understand it because they see a career in football as a dream and what's not to love?

Ben White of Arsenal getting a lot of flack for that at the moment because he told England he can't be arsed with a call up. Just wants to do his job, go home, not do overtime.

That's not at all why Ben White refuses an England call up. 

 

The Bachirou hate on this forum has always been perverse. People choosing to believe a rumour that someone pulled out their arse. 

[Jamie_M]

42 minutes ago, Hej said:

That's not at all why Ben White refuses an England call up. 

 

The Bachirou hate on this forum has always been perverse. People choosing to believe a rumour that someone pulled out their arse. 

So what is?

[dunning1874]

6 hours ago, SpoonTon said:

For me the thing is that I've never seen any evidence of the allegations against Fred, or heard anyone at the club at the time say anything bad about him. I don't even know the particularities. 

So why should I call him names or criticise him based on the hearsay of others. The facts that I know are he left, we got some decent money out of it, and we went on to win promotion that season. From the position of the knowledge I have, I'm not sure what I have to complain about. 

This is probably the majority view of the support - Bachirou's reported behaviour took place on coming back for pre-season and he was away before the league season started (although having missed two cup games with Duffy saying he was injured), so believing he refused to play is dependent on having heard about it and trusting the source, which most people won't have.

With Shimmin no one needed to be privy to any inside information, he was so brazenly and openly fabricating injuries in refusing to play that it was obvious, with Irons and Grady both alluding to it in public comments as well, then mysteriously becoming fit again as soon as we drew Celtic in the cup was further evidence. Everyone knew about Shimmin doing it, most people probably aren't even aware it's an allegation about Bachirou.

[Hej]

1 hour ago, Jamie_M said:

So what is?

One of Southgate's coaches insulted him in a team meeting.

[Jamie_M]

1 hour ago, Hej said:

One of Southgate's coaches insulted him in a team meeting.

While it has been widely reported that this is not in fact the reason for him refusing call ups, the very subject of said insult was Ben White's lack of intetest in football.

[TRVMP]

That's what I read as well. No idea if it's true or not. I would expect, if I weren't doing "homework" outside of my actual employed hours, to be overtaken by those who make themselves experts in the field. In footballing terms, successful managers these days don't just know an opponent's formation and set-piece setup but everything about how the 90 minutes will go. It is an asset to a team for players to understand that too.

However, to learn it is one thing and to execute it is another. I could, for example, spend the next two and a half weeks doing nothing but eating, sleeping, and studying how Germany are going to play on June the 14th. But even allowing for injuries, I'd be a terrible shout at full-back for Scotland. White, on the other hand, would still have a fighting chance of taking on whatever jobber Serbia have at left mid.

All this is to say I think White would still be a boon to the England side and his lack of a call-up is because he's not that bothered about playing for England, Steve Holland is a boorish drunkard, and Gareth Southgate is a Tim-Nice-But-Dim figure who's only still in the job because he's managed not to have a tabloid scandal in the past fifty years or however long it's been now.

If there was a hypothetical individual who had the exact same physical attributes as White but a real interest in the game as well, obviously he'd be a better pick. But there's not. Once Walker and Trippier retire I assume Holland will be packed off to the pub and White will come back.

[TONofmemories]

23 hours ago, TRVMP said:

That's fine, I still hate nurses. 

Bit snide, mate. 

[capitanus]

27 minutes ago, TONofmemories said:

Bit snide, mate. 

You dont know the facts about why he hates nurses.   He may have some justification.

They may keep giving him anal probes whenever they see him.  It may have only been an Ingrown Toenail too.

[LargsTON]

17 hours ago, Hej said:

That's not at all why Ben White refuses an England call up. 

 

The Bachirou hate on this forum has always been perverse. People choosing to believe a rumour that someone pulled out their arse. 

It absolutely wasn't a rumour.  I had it substantiated directly from a club official. 

[TONofmemories]

1 hour ago, capitanus said:

You dont know the facts about why he hates nurses.   He may have some justification.

They may keep giving him anal probes whenever they see him.  It may have only been an Ingrown Toenail too.

Bit of a generalisation, though. Most nurses do this world some good. 

[TRVMP]

2 hours ago, TONofmemories said:

Bit snide, mate. 

It is, but I feel perfectly justified in it. I don't expect others to approve or agree, but if that was important to me I'd have kept my opinion to myself. 

[TONofmemories]

1 minute ago, TRVMP said:

It is, but I feel perfectly justified in it. I don't expect others to approve or agree, but if that was important to me I'd have kept my opinion to myself. 

And everyone's entitled to have their say.