Thread About Ex Player

[vikingTON]

1 minute ago, ChampTon said:

There's plenty of other players who are fondly loved/remembered by fans who did a lot worse and didn't provided the club with much else. 

Such as?

[Toby]

3 minutes ago, ChampTon said:

There's plenty of other players who are fondly loved/remembered by fans who did a lot worse and didn't provided the club with much else. 

Bachirou is one of the most talented players to ever play in the blue and white, never mind just this century. 

Turning up for your work is the absolute minimum requirement from anyone, in any workplace.

It really isn’t difficult to comprehend why folk would be upset with him.

As vT says, who, that is fondly remembered has done worse in their time at Morton than point blank refuse to play for the club when contracted?

[ChampTon]

Everyone knew players such as Williams and Weatherson (who I love), the Maisanos and Chris Millar were out drinking until early in the morning on match day and/or involved in an alleged betting scandal. People still remember them fondly. 

Hell, Weatherson assaulted a fan in a local shitehole. 

But again, it's what you want to remember.

[Toby]

2 minutes ago, ChampTon said:

Everyone knew players such as Williams and Weatherson (who I love), the Maisanos and Chris Millar were out drinking until early in the morning on match day and/or involved in an alleged betting scandal. People still remember them fondly. 

Hell, Weatherson assaulted a fan in a local shitehole. 

But again, it's what you want to remember.

I certainly don’t recall any stories of players being out drinking until the early mornings of match days, care to furnish me with the details?

And alleged match-fixing that was never proved twenty years on is doing some heavy lifting.

Weatherson, who retaliated to a guy feeling his arse outside a boozer?

Yes, it is what you want to remember.

[The Bewilderedbeast]

Playing Devils Advocate here.

 

So if Bachirou went on strike to manufacture a move away, is there a difference with  Binmen, Dr's, Train Drivers, Nurses, Firemen etc etc who go on strike to manufacture a wage rise.

[vikingTON]

1 minute ago, The Bewilderedbeast said:

Playing Devils Advocate here.

 

So if Bachirou went on strike to manufacture a move away, is there a difference with  Binmen, Dr's, Train Drivers, Nurses, Firemen etc etc who go on strike to manufacture a wage rise.

Footballers are on fixed contracts who have an established mechanism to bargain for their wages called free agency. Binmen and indeed any other permanent employees do not. 

So yes, quite a critical difference there. 

[Toby]

1 minute ago, The Bewilderedbeast said:

Playing Devils Advocate here.

 

So if Bachirou went on strike to manufacture a move away, is there a difference with  Binmen, Dr's, Train Drivers, Nurses, Firemen etc etc who go on strike to manufacture a wage rise.

Yes, I’d say there is.

Bachirou signed a new contract less than a year before going on strike, after the victory over Celtic. His working conditions and treatment from all at Cappielow weren’t poor. In all the years I’ve followed Morton, I’ve never known a player treated with such warmth and affection.

Without going into the facts/conjecture debate that was on the other thread yesterday, he certainly wasn’t one of the poorest paid players at the club.

I find it difficult to compare the situation of Bachirou with workers on ongoing contracts that are looking for improved pay and conditions in a changing world.

[ChampTon]

3 minutes ago, Toby said:

I certainly don’t recall any stories of players being out drinking until the early mornings of match days, care to furnish me with the details?

And alleged match-fixing that was never proved twenty years on is doing some heavy lifting.

Weatherson, who retaliated to a guy feeling his arse outside a boozer?

Yes, it is what you want to remember.

You're going off the fact that a player had allegedly refused to play for the club in order to force a move. As soon as a counter point of other players were mentioned, with alleged poor behaviour it's suddenly not okay. It'll be endless what-a-bouttery. 

You can believe what you want and I'll believe what I want to too. End of the day, neither of us have concrete evidence for either claim.

[Toby]

1 minute ago, ChampTon said:

You're going off the fact that a player had allegedly refused to play for the club in order to force a move. As soon as a counter point of other players were mentioned, with alleged poor behaviour it's suddenly not okay. It'll be endless what-a-bouttery. 

You can believe what you want and I'll believe what I want to too. End of the day, neither of us have concrete evidence for either claim.

I don’t remember saying the “alleged” behaviour of any of these players was acceptable, it’s only you that said you “love” them.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

[vikingTON]

22 minutes ago, ChampTon said:

Everyone knew players such as Williams and Weatherson (who I love), the Maisanos and Chris Millar were out drinking until early in the morning on match day and/or involved in an alleged betting scandal. People still remember them fondly. 

Hell, Weatherson assaulted a fan in a local shitehole. 

But again, it's what you want to remember.

Leaving aside your dredging up of claims that you clearly have no actual insight into - in what way did Williams, Chris Millar and, in particular, Peter Weatherson "didn't provided [sic] the club with much else" as you state? All played key roles in achieving at least one league title for the club, and Weatherson is the club's 4th highest goal scorer AFAIK. 

By contrast, what great feat did Bachirou accomplish exactly? Other than the world's worst holding midfield performance when shipping ten fucking goals to Hamilton, and a pathetic commemoration day to the wrong country. 

Edited May 25 by vikingTON

[ChampTon]

You two really are frothing at the mouth for any form of conflict aren't you? If you get one, the other isn't far behind - dragging their knuckles across the keyboard. 

[Toby]

7 minutes ago, ChampTon said:

You two really are frothing at the mouth for any form of conflict aren't you? If you get one, the other isn't far behind - dragging their knuckles across the keyboard. 

You’re the one resorting to personal jibes on a debate about the merits of footballers’ alleged misdemeanours, this retort isn’t quite the comeback you think it is.

If you don’t have a strong enough argument that you’re forced down this route, quietly walking away and hoping you get it right next time would probably be the best approach.

[TRVMP]

8 hours ago, The Bewilderedbeast said:

Playing Devils Advocate here.

 

So if Bachirou went on strike to manufacture a move away, is there a difference with  Binmen, Dr's, Train Drivers, Nurses, Firemen etc etc who go on strike to manufacture a wage rise.

First of all, I hate nurses.

Second, there are laws and regulations around industrial action. That's not what Fred (allegedly) did. If there was an actual dispute he could have gone to PFA Scotland, the union in question. But there was no such dispute. He just wanted a big move, which is of course his prerogative, but decided to resort to scumbag tactics to get it.

Also, when you go on strike, aren't you supposed to tell people you're on strike? He took a cowardly way out and did it all behind closed doors because he knew he was in the wrong, but knew he'd get his way anyway.

Edited May 26 by TRVMP

[TRVMP]

7 hours ago, ChampTon said:

You two really are frothing at the mouth for any form of conflict aren't you? If you get one, the other isn't far behind - dragging their knuckles across the keyboard. 

The likelier scenario is you're sucking up to Foaud Bachirou, who in all probability has forgotten he ever played in Greenock and will never set foot in the town again, because you think he's being cruelly denied the plaudits going to Peter Weatherson. This is bullshit. In fact Weatherson has a lot of detractors, me included. He was irresponsible and went long periods at less-than-perfect fitness because of his own neglect.

Comparing Millar to either of them is an absolutely wild take. Just total fantasyland stuff.

Alex Williams, tragic figure, his own worst enemy. Hardly someone whose conduct I'm going to defend. But people like him because he got us out of the Third Division and really did cause a buzz about the place. That his career completely went off the rails due to his own personal failings is more sad than anything else but I don't recall anyone blaming anyone but him for this.

Edited May 26 by TRVMP

[capitanus]

13 hours ago, AyrshireTon said:

Derek Gaston joins Stirling Albion.

https://x.com/Stirling_Albion/status/1794331264235004236

 

Good luck to him.  I liked Gaston and Stirling are a decent wee club.

[capitanus]

9 hours ago, vikingTON said:

Leaving aside your dredging up of claims that you clearly have no actual insight into - in what way did Williams, Chris Millar and, in particular, Peter Weatherson "didn't provided [sic] the club with much else" as you state? All played key roles in achieving at least one league title for the club, and Weatherson is the club's 4th highest goal scorer AFAIK. 

By contrast, what great feat did Bachirou accomplish exactly? Other than the world's worst holding midfield performance when shipping ten fucking goals to Hamilton, and a pathetic commemoration day to the wrong country. 

In fairness to Fred Bachirou that French Flag day thing was Port Tons and not his.  He will be mortally offended that you called it pathetic.

[capitanus]

One player from that era that really got on my tits was Dominic Shimmin.  He could play, but had a terrible attitude.  A real waste of talent.

[TRVMP]

28 minutes ago, capitanus said:

One player from that era that really got on my tits was Dominic Shimmin.  He could play, but had a terrible attitude.  A real waste of talent.

He was easily top flight standard. Possibly higher, i.e. the English second tier. Think he packed it in for a career in DJing or something.

If he wasn't into football, fair enough, but he had a flair for it and would have probably made more money in the sport than he would in music.

[centralTON]

6 hours ago, TRVMP said:

First of all, I hate nurses.

 

NOPE! just not having that and disappointed that no one else has flagged this up.

Maybe in your Texas hick town, but not here. I have been in and out of various hospitals in Larbert and Glasgow over the last few months and i can assure you that the nurses and indeed any hospital staff I have encountered have been absolutely superb and the treatment from the NHS in general has been outstanding.

[Toby]

6 hours ago, capitanus said:

One player from that era that really got on my tits was Dominic Shimmin.  He could play, but had a terrible attitude.  A real waste of talent.

Shimmin’s probably the one whose behaviour was closest to Bachirou’s if the rumours were to be believed. Nowhere to be seen because of mysterious injuries before declaring himself fit and raring to go as we were pulled out the hat with Celtic in the Scottish Cup.

That said, nobody’s looking back too fondly on the “part time ‘baller, full time rocker’s” Morton career or in any mood to welcome him back with open arms, so his legacy with the majority of the support is very much in line with Bachirou’s is with the more learned among us.