TRVMP Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, TONofmemories said: When i say scripted i should have said vetted. It looks an open forum to ask whatever to me. Aye, fair. It was an open-ticketed event (i.e. you had to register to attend but anyone could do so) and as we can hilariously see there was no Prime Minister's Questions pre-vetting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Doesn't sound too different to what Chairman Ritchie might be saying in twelve months' time unfortunately. I'd like some clarity on why a two year deal was handed out in the summer given the financial instability of the club: who signed off on this and why was it deemed necessary? I'd also like clarity on how first team performances will be evaluated. What are the benchmarks for performance; how regularly will this be reviewed; what insight does the club use to exercise this judgment? The key task at the moment is to make sure that fan ownership retains the appropriate degree of professional oversight over first team issues, as well as openness between the board and the fanbase on how the new structure works in practice. Otherwise it risks being run like a glorified social club, and down with the Brechin we could swiftly go. 2 The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaunTon Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, vikingTON said: I'd also like clarity on how first team performances will be evaluated. What are the benchmarks for performance; how regularly will this be reviewed; what insight does the club use to exercise this judgment? The key task at the moment is to make sure that fan ownership retains the appropriate degree of professional oversight over first team issues, as well as openness between the board and the fanbase on how the new structure works in practice. This is crucial as far as I'm concerned as it essential if we are to avoid the mistakes of the past and install some real determination to drive improvement on the pitch and expectation among the fanbase. Simply surviving is not a medium to long term strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest capitanus Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 7 hours ago, TONofmemories said: I agree in that we should have addressed it somehow, but the faux outrage is OTT IMO. It's not faux outrage to expect the club that you support to have some kind of standards of decency for the players they recruit, and to feel badly disappointed by them when they recruit a sex offender. Regardless of whether or not he is a good player, I would sooner have a hapless jobber without his talent, knowing that he wasn't a wrong'un of that sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCT Team Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 We've just sent round an update to members which you can also find here https://mortonclubtogether.co.uk/latest-news/24-member-update-22nd-october Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post irnbru Posted October 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, MCT Team said: We've just sent round an update to members which you can also find here https://mortonclubtogether.co.uk/latest-news/24-member-update-22nd-october I don't think this really addresses the problems most people have (which the update seems to partially attempt to do). MCT is the conduit to the club for its members. The people running things at the club need to be visible and accountable to these members as they wouldn't be there without them. It doesn't really matter if they are on both boards or not so I don't think there's any confusion as the update suggests. The fact there is a crossover actually makes it a bit worse for me though. Most members haven't heard a word from the people who've been on both boards (apart from a few snippets from Graham Barr) so there should 100% be more transparency here as there is (or was) a direct link from MCT member to these MCT board members through the MCT channels. The obvious example is that Gordon seems to be the main decision maker and is running things at the club (which is a privilege he only has because of the members) but has been totally anonymous and the impression most have (rightly or wrongly) is he doesn't take on any accountability. This is a direct result of a lack of transparency and might not actually be the case. Like it or not, the main thing for members is how the club is run and not how MCT itself is. The relationship between the two separate bodies and how fans get involved and updated needs to be the focus, not who's on the MCT board doing marketing, etc. Even if over time it is the case that the club is more at arms length from MCT, when the mood amongst the fans isn't good there's no excuse for MCT not being proactive in addressing concerns with the club and relaying these back to fans asap. There's clearly some unrest now with significant concerns being raised over a few months (using here and Twitter as a guage). An SLO led Q&A wouldn't have been needed as much if MCT were proactively updating on what's happening at the club and there was more transparency across the board. As it stands, the impression most people have is that the board members have free reign with no accountability and there's no acknowledgement that they're in that position because of the MCT membership. Edit to add - the updates are appreciated and the last paragraph might be a frustration the MCT board share so are essentially caught in the crossfire and taking the flak (I obviously wouldn't expect an answer on that from an individual!). Edited October 22, 2021 by irnbru 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamCam Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I agree with irnbru on this issue. While it is appreciated MCT and the club have different responsibilities and priorities there is undeniably a mutuality of interest requiring increased transparency, communication and accountability. For me, MCT continue to be more reactive than proactive and even when it comes to the club there is a distinct lack of output - I do not believe Gus offering up the same platitudes and excuses after most matches satisfies most fans. Of course much of the current 'noise' off the park on this issue would not exist if the team on the park were performing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest capitanus Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 5 hours ago, MCT Team said: We've just sent round an update to members which you can also find here https://mortonclubtogether.co.uk/latest-news/24-member-update-22nd-october Yet another post from MCT Team where he/she failed to acknowledge the fact that the club have recruited a convicted sex offender and that a lot of people feel uneasy about it. It won't go away, regardless of whether or not you think I'm a 'trouble maker'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Strathblane Crescent Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 2:28 PM, Toby said: Because with this format, Gordon Ritchie won’t have to answer questions he doesn't want to answer from mischief makers in the support who are no more than background noise to him running his football club, rather than contributors who have helped him get into the position he now occupies. I've missed this Gordon Ritchie stooshie. What are his supposed misdemeaners? The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Strathblane Crescent Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 There's a lot covered in this topic but one thing sticks out for me is that there is a lot the club should be doing that they are not. That's all down to roles and responsibilities which we don't appear to have given some of the points made. Directors of the football club need to have specific roles and not just be seat warmers at games and meetings. That way they can be held accountable and this gives members a better idea who they should have running the club. The same goes for MCT. The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, 9 Strathblane Crescent said: I've missed this Gordon Ritchie stooshie. What are his supposed misdemeaners? It was discussed on here, but Dean removed the debate as it could’ve potentially affected the alleged victim’s professional life, so not something that can really be discussed. If you look back a few months there might be something hinting at what I believe he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 i don't know what the division of roles and responsibilities are between MCT and GMFC, but I suggest that some of these football questions should be answered by GMFC, not MCT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbru Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, Waverley said: i don't know what the division of roles and responsibilities are between MCT and GMFC, but I suggest that some of these football questions should be answered by GMFC, not MCT. At the end of the day, any business needs to answer to their shareholders. In this case the members are the shareholders and MCT should be the collective voice. If the club isn't accountable to the shareholders then the whole thing fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest capitanus Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, irnbru said: At the end of the day, any business needs to answer to their shareholders. In this case the members are the shareholders and MCT should be the collective voice. If the club isn't accountable to the shareholders then the whole thing fails. Wrong. In this case, MCT are the shareholders of the club and the 'members' are merely the people funding MCT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbru Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, capitanus said: Wrong. In this case, MCT are the shareholders of the club and the 'members' are merely the people funding MCT. Well it should be right which I guess is the problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigB Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Question for the board how much longer do we have to watch these poor performances McPherson is going to get us relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vikingTON Posted October 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, bigB said: Question for the board how much longer do we have to watch these poor performances McPherson is going to get us relegated. The question is which board will take accountability as I can see GMFC and MCT chucking it around like a hot potato. It shouldn't be though. Those who signed off on a foolish two year contract simply need to suck up the consequences of that action and get rid. 3 The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Strathblane Crescent Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 23 hours ago, capitanus said: Wrong. In this case, MCT are the shareholders of the club and the 'members' are merely the people funding MCT. MCT do not have carte blanche to do as they please. The use of the word "merely" implies that the members have no control which is far from the truth. MCT have freedom to make decisions on a day to day basis but control ultimately lies with its members. That's why you have Rules and Articles of Association. The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Blue Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Emailed MCT this morning with a few concerns and awaiting a reply. Surely they have to take notice of the grumbles on here and at games? I'm sure I'm not the first to email either. There's a storm on the horizon And for that I can't see the sun For I'll keep a waiting on the pavement For the ice cream van to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest capitanus Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 10 hours ago, 9 Strathblane Crescent said: MCT do not have carte blanche to do as they please. The use of the word "merely" implies that the members have no control which is far from the truth. MCT have freedom to make decisions on a day to day basis but control ultimately lies with its members. That's why you have Rules and Articles of Association. I'm sure i'm not the only one who understood none of that. There are no shortage of 'members' who have voiced their unhappiness on here about things at both MCT and GMFC, but they don't seem to be empowered to be able to change things. However the small group of people from MCT who have been appointed to the board of GMFC have acted as though they have 'carte blanche to do as they please' on several occasions now, whilst not condescending to explain controversial decisions like awarding a two year fixed term contract to an interim management team, or worse still, signing a convicted sex offender against the wishes of a sizeable amount of the support. Any supporter who thinks it is some fan-owned democracy that they are contributing to right now is seriously deluded. Our club has been taken over by a clique of strangers who have hoodwinked the supporters into bankrolling them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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