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Now before Gavin goes, I'd like to ask him one more question.


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MacKinnnon is in the Tele slevvering some rubbish about people being "inadvertently blocked". Aye, no bother.

I'm still blocked. Apparently only 3 accounts still blocked as of last night. No idea why I was blocked unless it was a post expressing disappointment that Lyon & Nesbitt were left out on Saturday. Anyway it appears to be a select wee group now. Should be sorted in time for our next cup final appearance. If and when unblocked, my first tweetvwill be "Mckinnon must resign". An evergreen tweet tbh.


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I'm still blocked. Apparently only 3 accounts still blocked as of last night. No idea why I was blocked unless it was a post expressing disappointment that Lyon & Nesbitt were left out on Saturday. Anyway it appears to be a select wee group now. Should be sorted in time for our next cup final appearance. If and when unblocked, my first tweetvwill be "Mckinnon must resign". An evergreen tweet tbh.

Maybe he doesn't like people from the borders.

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For every Motherwell, there’s a Clydebank. The STT campaign galvanized the supporters and community at large, primarily due to H*gh Sc*tt, but I doubt the same appetite is there for another STT after a relatively recent administration event, and the increasing apathy within a dwindling and weary fanbase. It could be a massive gamble.

That is true, but one of the problems with Clydebank was that they were asset stripped by the Steedman Family before the bare carcass of a club was forced out on the road for six years before inevitable death by being swallowed up by another club who wanted their league position.

 

I reckon that if Clydebank still had their ground at Kilbowie they would have maintained a decent support in their town, which is one of the largest towns in Scotland, and would have been similar in stature to Morton, Ayr United, Dumbarton etc.


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That is true, but one of the problems with Clydebank was that they were asset stripped by the Steedman Family before the bare carcass of a club was forced out on the road for six years before inevitable death by being swallowed up by another club who wanted their league position.

 

I reckon that if Clydebank still had their ground at Kilbowie they would have maintained a decent support in their town, which is one of the largest towns in Scotland, and would have been similar in stature to Morton, Ayr United, Dumbarton etc.

Clydebank is approximately half the size of Greenock.

 

So not one of the largest towns in Scotland then.

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They also never had a decent support, maybe even less than Dumbarton. When Morton were playing at a similar level to both those clubs, and we were competently managed, we probably had crowds of double their attendances put together.

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Clydebank is approximately half the size of Greenock.

So not one of the largest towns in Scotland then.

Is Greenock somehow the yardstick of what is or isn't a big town in Scotland?

 

There is a wee anomaly in West Dunbartonshire Councils website which lists Faifley and Dalmuir as separate areas from Clydebank, but for all intents and purposes these are districts of Clydebank, in a similar way that Larkfield and Gibshill are both areas of Greenock. That is probably where you got your information from - either that or Wikipedia.

 

Clydebank and her environs has a healthy population catchment of around 50,000; and if you were to include a 15-minute drive time (similar drive time or distance from Cappielow-Gourock) then they'd have a local constituency of around 250,000 which is over three times the Greenock/Gourock/Port conurbation.


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They also never had a decent support, maybe even less than Dumbarton. When Morton were playing at a similar level to both those clubs, and we were competently managed, we probably had crowds of double their attendances put together.

The last ten years when Clydebank FC played at Kilbowie, their average attendances were as follows:

 

1995/6 - 1289

1994/5 - 1350

1993/4 - 1653

1992/3 - 1465

1991/2 - 1337

1990/1 - 1405

1989/90- 1400

1988/9 - 1573

1987/8 - 1276

1986/7 - 3272*

 

*Premier League season.

 

Source: https://clydebankfc.co.uk/seasons.php

 

Overall, they weren't the biggest supported club, but then again I never said they were. They were a fairly well supported second tier side when they played in their own town, and comparable in size to a few other clubs such as ourselves.


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Is Greenock somehow the yardstick of what is or isn't a big town in Scotland?

 

There is a wee anomaly in West Dunbartonshire Councils website which lists Faifley and Dalmuir as separate areas from Clydebank, but for all intents and purposes these are districts of Clydebank, in a similar way that Larkfield and Gibshill are both areas of Greenock. That is probably where you got your information from - either that or Wikipedia.

 

Clydebank and her environs has a healthy population catchment of around 50,000; and if you were to include a 15-minute drive time (similar drive time or distance from Cappielow-Gourock) then they'd have a local constituency of around 250,000 which is over three times the Greenock/Gourock/Port conurbation.

It's the 23rd largest town in Scotland.

 

ie Not one of the largest towns in Scotland.

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It's the 23rd largest town in Scotland.

ie Not one of the largest towns in Scotland.

What are the 22 larger towns then, Gordon?

 

Source?

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Treating administration as a route to clearing the debt and carrying on as if nothing happened is not realistic or desirable. It’d be far more likely to kill the club than see us safe and debt free at the other side.

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Maybe he doesn't like people from the borders.

 

I'm not from the borders. I'm from Greenock.  I don't even live in the borders.  Are you a VT clone account?

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"Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it."

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Clydebank and her environs has a healthy population catchment of around 50,000; and if you were to include a 15-minute drive time (similar drive time or distance from Cappielow-Gourock) then they'd have a local constituency of around 250,000 which is over three times the Greenock/Gourock/Port conurbation.

 

It's not even remotely 'their' local consistuency though. It's Rangers and Celtic's to a higher degree than just about anywhere else in the Central Belt: in part because most of the scheme goblin estates like Drumchapel are the legacy of the Glasgow slum clearances and not an authentic local community. Then there are the host of other senior league clubs within the same 15 minute drive time who aren't anywhere near as gubbins or completely insignificant as the *checks notes* 'Bankies' were throughout their useless spell in the Scottish senior setup. You'd have been as well following one of the seventeen local junior teams instead, which just so happens to be where the phoenix club has found its natural level without ever threatening the dominance of Ayrshire bumpkin galacticos in that grade. 

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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

 

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are

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That is effectively what happened with Motherwell when John Boyle was owner and main creditor.

 

10% of something is better than 100% of nothing.

 

You have no idea what you are on about. Motherwell were losing around £2m per year and owed a fortune to creditors. John Boyle wrote off most of his debt in order to make sure the Club could survive the Administration process and start a fresh without players on contracts they can't afford and debts owed to external creditors.

 

Given we don't have anything significant owing to external parties and most of our players are on one year deals (coupled with CR's plan to have a wage structure to achieve a break even point) our situations are entirely different and it would be ridiculous to suggest administration as an option

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How does Crawford Rae intend to have a break even wage structure and field a competent professional football team on the park at the same time? What you’re referring to is simply a managed death spiral through the seaside leagues under the guise of ‘sustainability’ - that is not a credible plan.

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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

 

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are

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NB: And let’s never forget that Crawford Rae is only chairman by the grace of the majority shareholding in GC, who are the ones actually calling the shots here to protect ‘their’ money. So even if Crawford were to find some great, grand plan in his back pocket after nearly twenty years of supervising incompetence, it wouldn’t matter because he is merely the front man for a family that is scunnered with running this football club altogether. That feeling is mutual.

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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

 

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are

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NB: And let’s never forget that Crawford Rae is only chairman by the grace of the majority shareholding in GC, who are the ones actually calling the shots here to protect ‘their’ money. So even if Crawford were to find some great, grand plan in his back pocket after nearly twenty years of supervising incompetence, it wouldn’t matter because he is merely the front man for a family that is scunnered with running this football club altogether. That feeling is mutual.

 

Sounds like most businesses - the board are responsible to shareholders and will fulfill the wishes of shareholders.

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Sounds like most businesses - the board are responsible to shareholders and will fulfill the wishes of shareholders.

 

And in this case the wish of the shareholders is to have a token placeholder chair a subsidiary company - a failing football club - on their behalf and on their terms. Which means that Crawford's ultimate authority here is next to none, grand plan or no grand plan. Given that the interests of the chinless wonder shareholders at GC aren't even remotely aligned with those of this once-proud football club, the onus must be on ending this shan subsidiary relationship as soon as feasibly possible rather than buying into any of the 'sustainability' bullshit that the chairman is obliged to sell to the fanbase right now. 

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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

 

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are

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The only Rae responsible for this current mess is Douglas, who as a successful businessman as well as an octogenarian had more reason and time than just about anyone to plan for his succession and so knowingly bequeathed this mess for his inheritants to deal with. Crawford at this stage is just a powerless cipher obliged to head a shit football club instead of swanning around the golf course instead.

 

Just because people prefer to associate the predictably shit legacy of the Rae era with the current placeholder doesn’t mean that’s where the real blame lies.

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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

 

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are

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I used the National Records of Scotland. I see that's what Wikipedia have used too.

I think that Madton is right, you just went onto Wikipedia but wanted to make yourself seem like some kind of smart-arse so you just mentioned the source of the data on that Wikipedia page.

 

Absolutely fooling no-one champ. Thanks again, Mr. Dire. ;)

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