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#21 LinwoodTON

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Posted 24 October 2018 - 08:19 PM

You've given me countless hours of entertainment over the last couple of years. Tossing you a bone once in a while is the least I can do. 

 

Likewise. My favourite was when Ed made you get a new account. How we laughed.  :lol:


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Posted 24 October 2018 - 08:24 PM

https://www.falkirkf...t-spfl-hearing/
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Posted 24 October 2018 - 08:31 PM

Forget it LT, he's got a professional notetaker.


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Posted 24 October 2018 - 08:44 PM

A ruling by the end of the year to absolutely **** their January budget would be nice, but if it rumbles on for months until they're a League One club and we can vote down the CVA that would be lovely.


This would be the dream scenario- I don’t really care if Morton get any compensation for it, the liquidation of Falkirk would be far more satisfying. Especially if we gave them a wee push over the edge.
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Posted 24 October 2018 - 09:29 PM

This would be the dream scenario- I don’t really care if Morton get any compensation for it, the liquidation of Falkirk would be far more satisfying. Especially if we gave them a wee push over the edge.


Agreed. Id even be happy if we gave them money for any inconvenience but they had a transfer embargo imposed for a year. Effectively relegating them.
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Posted 25 October 2018 - 07:28 AM

Either a point deduction or a transfer embargo would be absolutely outstanding, but highly unlikely. Grangemouth will be doing everything in their power to make any hearing/negotiations last beyond January. I suppose one of the hardest things here is that we have a lack of precedence to gauge the potential outcome(s) from. There have been plenty of accusations of player tapping in the past, but I can't remember of any cases of manager tapping, in Scotland anyway. 


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Posted 25 October 2018 - 07:37 AM

Tommy Burns and Kilmarnock. Celtic made to pay 250k
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Posted 25 October 2018 - 08:29 AM

Tommy Burns and Kilmarnock. Celtic made to pay 250k


Can’t be a kick in the stones off 25 years ago. With inflation that should come to a nice wee £400k?


Good stuff, that’ll hopefully bury the c*nts.
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Posted 25 October 2018 - 08:34 AM

Or, it was just an arbitrary number thrown around at the time. 

 

I would like to think it's some kind of precedence though and we're in for something around 400/500k mark. 

 

I reckon the club would favour that more than any kind of transfer embargo/point deduction imposed on Falkirk. 


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Posted 25 October 2018 - 08:40 AM

If not a financial penalty, I'd accept a 15 point deduction, kindly donated straight to Alloa.
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Posted 25 October 2018 - 08:43 AM

Unfortunately, I suspect the most likely outcome here is for Morton to capitulate and accept some derisory form of compensation that involves Mark Russell coming back for a few weeks until his deal at Falkirk expires.


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Posted 25 October 2018 - 08:52 AM

Or, it was just an arbitrary number thrown around at the time. 

 

I would like to think it's some kind of precedence though and we're in for something around 400/500k mark. 

 

I reckon the club would favour that more than any kind of transfer embargo/point deduction imposed on Falkirk. 

 

In all seriousness, we can forget about anything like that sort of money, and I suspect a transfer embargo or points deduction, unfortunately.

 

We're not comparing like with like with McKinnon and Burns- Burns was a hot property at the time (no pun intended) who had recently taken and kept Kilmarnock up, which was no mean feat at the time and was going to one of the biggest clubs in the land. McKinnon is a lower league manager looking to get his career back on track after failing miserably to get one of the country's biggest clubs promoted and getting emptied.

 

I suspect we'll be looking at around £25-50k.


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Posted 25 October 2018 - 09:15 AM

https://gmfc.net/201...-by-spfl-board/

 

Club statement, of sorts.


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Posted 25 October 2018 - 09:22 AM

We should be demanding much more than that. I suspect this has cost us a ****ing fortune and possibly even that in legal fees alone. 

 

GET THEM ****ING HOUNDED. 


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Posted 25 October 2018 - 09:59 AM

The Morton statement appears a little misleading. Nothing has been decided other than the powers that be acknowledging Morton may have a case - for the moment no-one has won! 


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Posted 25 October 2018 - 10:09 AM

The Morton statement appears a little misleading. Nothing has been decided other than the powers that be acknowledging Morton may have a case - for the moment no-one has won!


Don't agree that that statement says anything of the sort.

All it says is that they are pleased the complaint will receive a hearing.

They have passed the first hurdle, getting to hearing and a notice of complaint issued to Falkirk when the board could have rejected it straight off and ended it there.
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Posted 25 October 2018 - 10:20 AM

Don't agree that that statement says anything of the sort.

All it says is that they are pleased the complaint will receive a hearing.

They have passed the first hurdle, getting to hearing and a notice of complaint issued to Falkirk when the board could have rejected it straight off and ended it there.

Unless my mind is playing tricks on me that is not the original statement!


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Posted 25 October 2018 - 10:23 AM

Unless my mind is playing tricks on me that is not the original statement!

 

 

Nah, there was definitely something else originally.


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Posted 25 October 2018 - 10:31 AM

Yeah, they definitely had 'upheld' in the wording originally. Not good to make any mistake of that sort with this kind of thing.

In all seriousness, even if the tribunal does rule entirely in our favour I'd expect the absolute best case scenario in terms of financial compensation to be Falkirk being ordered to cover the full cost of McKinnon, Taylor and Henderson's contracts. Would those three together even come to £100K?

For what it's worth, as expected the SPFL have confirmed that the rules Falkirk are alleged to have breached are D9 & D10. Those cover inducing employees of another club to terminate their contract (D9) and inducing coaching staff of another club to breach their contracts (D10).

There is no set punishment if they're found to have breached those rules, it's entirely at the discretion of the panel to use whichever punishment they like from those laid out, and the rules do explicitly state they have the power to order one club to pay compensation to another, although it has a catch all 'we can also make up whatever punishment we like' clause anyway. If you're interested in this stuff, the full list of potential sanctions are in section J16 here, P97: https://spfl.co.uk/c...L 8_10_2018.pdf

Unfortunately expelling clubs from the league requires a majority vote of all members.
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Posted 25 October 2018 - 11:01 AM

Yeah, they definitely had 'upheld' in the wording originally. Not good to make any mistake of that sort with this kind of thing.

In all seriousness, even if the tribunal does rule entirely in our favour I'd expect the absolute best case scenario in terms of financial compensation to be Falkirk being ordered to cover the full cost of McKinnon, Taylor and Henderson's contracts. Would those three together even come to £100K?

For what it's worth, as expected the SPFL have confirmed that the rules Falkirk are alleged to have breached are D9 & D10. Those cover inducing employees of another club to terminate their contract (D9) and inducing coaching staff of another club to breach their contracts (D10).

There is no set punishment if they're found to have breached those rules, it's entirely at the discretion of the panel to use whichever punishment they like from those laid out, and the rules do explicitly state they have the power to order one club to pay compensation to another, although it has a catch all 'we can also make up whatever punishment we like' clause anyway. If you're interested in this stuff, the full list of potential sanctions are in section J16 here, P97: https://spfl.co.uk/c...L 8_10_2018.pdf

Unfortunately expelling clubs from the league requires a majority vote of all members.

 

I would like to see Morton stretch beyond the covering of the contracts. Although proving these points is difficult, as is producing a monetary figure for them, I'd like Morton to claim for the costs involved with; 

 

- The cost of searching for another manager, at a time of the season where (theoretically) the best managers are already in employment. The labour involved in drawing up a new shortlist, contacting agents/managers, booking venues away from the public eye for interviews and the time taking to hold these interviews are all costs raised from McKinnon leaving. The same applies to the assistant manager and the fitness coach/sport science positions.

- The signing on fees, including any agent fees, for a new manager, assistant manager and fitness coach that wouldn't have been necessary had McKinnon et al not left. 

- The cost of printing new training gear for all three new staff. 

- The cost of any specialist equipment the old management team bought that the new staff do not require/want. 

- The labour costs involved in changing the club website, social media output and press releases involving McKinnon's departure.

 

Some of them are very minimal and probably almost to the point of clutching at straws, but Morton should be setting their argument at the highest possible level before any negotiations/hearings take place. Let's get every single penny we can out of this shower. 


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