"then There's Shimmin,"

[TRVMP]

What the hell is all the hate towards Finlayson for? The guy tries a fecking arm and a leg for the team, a lot more than can be said for some individuals.

 

Exactly, and he's a professional.

 

Yes, he's of limited ability and his crosses are usually wayward, but as long as he's picked to play, he can only do his best, and that's what he does. If anyone's going to be criticised for Kev's failings it should be the manager for continuing to pick him, because right now Kev's a model player compared to some of the others.

[RankinBorn75]

Important to note that wee Jimmy said " There is not one bad apple in the Dressing Room " ..

 

So there could be 4 or 5 bad apples and he was still being honest ...

[astuartm]

As I said in a previous post.. It's mainly one wee boy who hasn't the guts to admit that maybe Kevin isn't nearly the worst player in the team and always gives 100%.. In any other walk of life to slag somebody off every time you post a message would be seen as a form of bullying.. as he knows fine well Kevin has no way to respond to him.. I believe the moderators of this site should take action, as someone who claims to be a Morton supporter should not be allowed to pick on any player the way in which KF is being picked on. It's easy to hide behind a signature.. but I would bet VT would not stand in the middle of the cowshed and shout the abuse that he shouts at KF here over 50 times per day..

[Dom_Dom]

It's mainly one wee boy who hasn't the guts to admit that maybe Kevin isn't nearly the worst player in the team and always gives 100%

While I'm not going to slate Finlayson, I will say something about this "always gives 100%" nonsense. I could give the same effort on a football pitch. Doesn't mean that I won't ever be anything other than s***e though. I don't really look at effort when deciding the quality of a player. I only decide on the quality.

 

Finlayson has good days and bad. His delivery has always been okay, especially when he plays those low balls behind the defence. My main problem with him before was his completely one dimensional runs at defenders, where he'd basically just run into them. He seems to have added a few wee tricks to his arsenal and it's amazing how much he has improved because of that.

 

I believe the moderators of this site should take action, as someone who claims to be a Morton supporter should not be allowed to pick on any player the way in which KF is being picked on.

 

If any moderator actually takes this under consideration, they probably shouldn't be a mod.

 

but I would bet VT would not stand in the middle of the cowshed and shout the abuse that he shouts at KF here over 50 times per day

 

Again, a completely stupid point. There is a major difference between typing stuff on here and going to the game and shouting. The two are not comparable.

[cmdc]

Hallejulah!! I've been saying this for years. Jim disappears like snow off a dyke when the chips are down. Since Finlayson arrived at this club I've never seen him hide, no matter how bad a game he's having.

 

I don't agree with that at all. He might not perform at his best, but I can't see how anyone can say he hides. In the humping at Airdrie last year he certainly didn't hide, when most of his team mates did.

[Real_Hoops]

I would bet VT would not stand in the middle of the cowshed and shout the abuse that he shouts at KF here over 50 times per day..

 

Which is surely to his credit. <_>

[LargsTON]

I don't agree with that at all. He might not perform at his best, but I can't see how anyone can say he hides. In the humping at Airdrie last year he certainly didn't hide, when most of his team mates did.

 

Running about like a headless chicken and jumping seats to retrieve a ball for a throw in doesn't equate to not hiding, I knew people would wheel out that arguement. Maybe he's just positionally retarded but I often find myself screaming at him to run into space or make himself available for a pass. He could learn a lot off Finlayson in that respect, who always looks to get involved in the game no matter how bad he's playing.

[dunning1874]

I don't agree with that at all. He might not perform at his best, but I can't see how anyone can say he hides. In the humping at Airdrie last year he certainly didn't hide, when most of his team mates did.

 

That day he and funnily enough Shimmin were the only ones that didn't hide, but this season he's hiding more often than not.

 

Anyway, yet another thread coming to Finlayson. Firstly I'll say that I don't think 'He gives 100%' is a reasonable argument to defend a player accused of not being any good; 100% effort is the absolute minimum any professional footballer should be giving. However Finlayson isn't nearly as bad as he's made out to be. His crossing's improved greatly this season, and he had an absolutely fantastic game on Saturday.

 

I've had the opinion for a while that we shouldn't renew his contract as he isn't good enough to be a starter in this division, but there've been a lot of encouraging signs lately and if he keeps it up then he deserves a new contract and a place in the team.

[cmdc]

Running about like a headless chicken and jumping seats to retrieve a ball for a throw in doesn't equate to not hiding, I knew people would wheel out that arguement. Maybe he's just positionally retarded but I often find myself screaming at him to run into space or make himself available for a pass. He could learn a lot off Finlayson in that respect, who always looks to get involved in the game no matter how bad he's playing.

 

You're right - but his performance that day did equate to not hiding.

 

Anyway, we're not going to agree on McAlister, so it's no big deal. I think it's quite common for wide players to be out of the game - particularly out on the left. He'll have been told, I'm pretty sure, not to come inside looking even if he's not involved in the game, as most wingers will have been.

 

I just happen to think that McAlister is one of our better players. Like a scaled down, Scottish First Division, version of James Milner - bags of energy, great working back, dangerous enough going forward, but sometimes lacking composure in the final third. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a decent percentage of assists last season (he certainly did in the spell of games surrounding our win at Palmerston, when Grady scored from his corner).

[Ghost]

I was speaking to a good friend of mine down south who is a QPR fan. He found out that Shimmin signed for us and was asking now and again as to how he was getting on. I told him that he started of very well and was a standout in a few games but i mainly just replied to his situation with Morton at the moment and he stated that when at QPR he hardly played, also played around 5 reserve games for them before being " injured " and out for the rest of the season, went on loan after that and released. I think he mentioned that the injury was similar as to his situation just now although 100% sure.

[The greenock guvnor]

While I'm not going to slate Finlayson, I will say something about this "always gives 100%" nonsense. I could give the same effort on a football pitch. Doesn't mean that I won't ever be anything other than s***e though. I don't really look at effort when deciding the quality of a player. I only decide on the quality.

 

Finlayson has good days and bad. His delivery has always been okay, especially when he plays those low balls behind the defence. My main problem with him before was his completely one dimensional runs at defenders, where he'd basically just run into them. He seems to have added a few wee tricks to his arsenal and it's amazing how much he has improved because of that.

 

 

 

If any moderator actually takes this under consideration, they probably shouldn't be a mod.

 

 

 

Again, a completely stupid point. There is a major difference between typing stuff on here and going to the game and shouting. The two are not comparable.

 

My sentiments exactly. It is a professional game and although you may think that a guy giving 100% is okay then I will disagree with you time and time again because Greenock Morton is not a charity and therefore if skill wise you are not good enough then sorry time to move on and find your level. To exaggerate it and say we would only be happy if it was a team of Ronaldos is false. You may be happy with at best mediocrity. I am not and no matter wether you like it or not then I will tell you my opinion on why and who I would like to see in regards to better alround players at Cappielow who have skill AND 100% effort as well and those I don't feel have these attributes.

We should not expect third rate football and it is this lets just be happy and not say negative stuff to the players or about the game that finds us in the mess we are in today in Scottish football in general.

Until we realise that negative criticism of the players and the hierarchy that run this game is acceptable and you learn from it then we will not progress to those hights of Ritchie or Souness or Baxter or Mcneill or Dalglish etc etc ever again.

And go and tell the mod I said that.

[LargsTON]

You're right - but his performance that day did equate to not hiding.

 

Anyway, we're not going to agree on McAlister, so it's no big deal. I think it's quite common for wide players to be out of the game - particularly out on the left. He'll have been told, I'm pretty sure, not to come inside looking even if he's not involved in the game, as most wingers will have been.

I just happen to think that McAlister is one of our better players. Like a scaled down, Scottish First Division, version of James Milner - bags of energy, great working back, dangerous enough going forward, but sometimes lacking composure in the final third. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a decent percentage of assists last season (he certainly did in the spell of games surrounding our win at Palmerston, when Grady scored from his corner).

 

There's been excuse after excuse made for McAlister's continuing decline in form but for me he's simply not proven himself as a player that can play well at this level on a consistent basis. Maybe he's just stale, maybe he's just been well and truly found out, who knows.

 

I hope he gets the move to a bigger club that he wants and he goes onto flourish but my honest opinion is I'll be happy if he goes but wouldn't be surprised if he signs another contract here after he realises nobody from a higher league wants him.

 

What honestly makes him believe he'll go from a struggling 1st Div player to a guy performing week-in-week-out at a higher level? Good luck to the guy anyway.

[maccaboy]

And go and tell the mod I said that.

 

err, yes - I'm sure they'll want to know.......

 

 

[The greenock guvnor]

There's been excuse after excuse made for McAlister's continuing decline in form but for me he's simply not proven himself as a player that can play well at this level on a consistent basis. Maybe he's just stale, maybe he's just been well and truly found out, who knows.

 

I hope he gets the move to a bigger club that he wants and he goes onto flourish but my honest opinion is I'll be happy if he goes but wouldn't be surprised if he signs another contract here after he realises nobody from a higher league wants him.

 

What honestly makes him believe he'll go from a struggling 1st Div player to a guy performing week-in-week-out at a higher level? Good luck to the guy anyway.

 

I personally think if we could get some sort of offer for Jim and he was happy to go it would be best alround. There are a number of players who could have been better players but due to poor management never reached their dizzy heights. I felt this team were left to their own devices alot of the time and were never given true guidance in their career development. Alot is down to the individual make up as well but a manager (I mean a real quality manager) can get that extra out a player that he and many others can not see. Grady though I think might have that potential to get the best out of his players and an eye for potential.

For some players already at Cappielow it is too little to late in my opinion.

[vikingTON]

As I said in a previous post.. It's mainly one wee boy who hasn't the guts to admit that maybe Kevin isn't nearly the worst player in the team and always gives 100%.. In any other walk of life to slag somebody off every time you post a message would be seen as a form of bullying.. as he knows fine well Kevin has no way to respond to him.. I believe the moderators of this site should take action, as someone who claims to be a Morton supporter should not be allowed to pick on any player the way in which KF is being picked on. It's easy to hide behind a signature.. but I would bet VT would not stand in the middle of the cowshed and shout the abuse that he shouts at KF here over 50 times per day..

 

You could always cry some more about it?

[port-ton]

My sentiments exactly. It is a professional game and although you may think that a guy giving 100% is okay then I will disagree with you time and time again because Greenock Morton is not a charity and therefore if skill wise you are not good enough then sorry time to move on and find your level. To exaggerate it and say we would only be happy if it was a team of Ronaldos is false. You may be happy with at best mediocrity. I am not and no matter wether you like it or not then I will tell you my opinion on why and who I would like to see in regards to better alround players at Cappielow who have skill AND 100% effort as well and those I don't feel have these attributes.

We should not expect third rate football and it is this lets just be happy and not say negative stuff to the players or about the game that finds us in the mess we are in today in Scottish football in general.

Until we realise that negative criticism of the players and the hierarchy that run this game is acceptable and you learn from it then we will not progress to those hights of Ritchie or Souness or Baxter or Mcneill or Dalglish etc etc ever again.

And go and tell the mod I said that.

 

Dont want to go off topic here, but did you just use paragraphs?

 

im actually going to have to read what you've said this time.

[TRVMP]

While I'm not going to slate Finlayson, I will say something about this "always gives 100%" nonsense. I could give the same effort on a football pitch. Doesn't mean that I won't ever be anything other than s***e though. I don't really look at effort when deciding the quality of a player. I only decide on the quality.

 

Right, but the point is that Kev isn't picking himself. If there's a s***e player lining up for Morton month after month, year after year, the blame lies entirely elsewhere. So the personal attacks on Kev are completely unwarranted.

[chris_mceleny]

i think kev brings more to the team than jim even though jm is a better player.

[Dom_Dom]

I believe the moderators of this site should take action, as someone who claims to be a Morton supporter should not be allowed to pick on any player the way in which KF is being picked on.

Nonsense. If someone doesn't like a player then he has every right to have a go. Unless you want to go down the route of banning people having opinions that you don't like.

 

Right, but the point is that Kev isn't picking himself. If there's a s***e player lining up for Morton month after month, year after year, the blame lies entirely elsewhere. So the personal attacks on Kev are completely unwarranted.

 

I see where you're coming from here, but at the same time, calling a s***e player s***e isn't exactly unfair is it ?

 

EDIT : I should make it clear that my last point is purely hypothetical. I've grown to like Finlayson a bit.

[BishopTon]

another weak and uncalled for comment on kevin finlayson in a thread about a player who has given nothing to the team for months.one thing finlayson can`t be accused of is effort as he has this in abundance and whilst not the cristiano ronaldo many seem to think he should be on the par with,a player we can ill afford to be without in terms of chances created.

 

The post was a follow on from the earlier post where a poster suggested he would rather have Finlayson than Shimmin in the team. Which is quite clearly deranged... Finalyson is by far the most untalented "footballer" at the club, most people can see his clear lack of ability and while he may give 100%, i like many others could not care less, as i actually go to football to see players play who you can watch and admire their superior ability to your own. Kevin has only once made me smile with a goal against Thistle, the rest of his Morton career is littered with frustration at his utter lack of crossing ability and his constant running into a bling alley with his head to the ground....

 

So that is why the post was made and i make no apologies for it.