TRVMP Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Just now, Toby said: Nobody’s denying the existence of sectarianism at Rangers and Celtic, my point is that it’s really not relevant to a debate about their colt teams. There are so many more relevant issues related to this that bringing sectarianism into it achieves nothing, other than perhaps detracting from the more pertinent points. I agree totally. It's issue number 9 on a list of 10 items, where item 10 is pie quality at whatever ground they rock up at for "home" games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_panther Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 So what was the outcome of the meeting? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Given that Graham Barr stated on the Ton TV interview that was put online on 12 June that the HMRC issue had been resolved, it's a bit worrying that two weeks later we're still in limbo. Bit concerned that there maybe some serious unresolved legal issues preventing the transfer. It certainly doesn't look like it's the formality that Graham seemed to suggest it would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 1:03 AM, hayfever said: What makes you think my intentions are anything other than honourable? Maybe your intentions were honourable, I don't doubt that they were, however this doesn't entitle you to be parachuted into a plum job at Morton because you have been been involved in a fan owned club somewhere else. Next. 1 *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRVMP Posted June 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2021 On 6/24/2021 at 2:33 PM, Cet Homme Charmant said: I haven't signed up for MCT yet either, based on my (perhaps incorrect) assumption that until they actually get the keys of Cappielow I'd be as well transferring the money directly into GC's bank account. It was however my intention to join before the ink was even dry on the transfer of ownership contract, but now having real second thoughts. Until recently I've been very much in the 'cut them some slack' camp, but the initial signs aren't good and the goodwill tank is draining quickly. I think I'll leave it now to see how things pan out over the next few months, before deciding whether or not to join. On 6/24/2021 at 3:30 PM, TAFKAC said: I think this is where I am. I want it to work, but nothing that has happened so far fills me with confidence. At the very least they should have a shadow structure in place ready to take over at handover time. The level of signings and the general level of comms suggests a sense of different blazers, similar attitude. MCT can - and will - dismiss most feedback from this forum as "keyboard warriors" complaining for the sake of complaining, but I genuinely hope they read the two posts above with an open mind. So far the bunker mentality they have displayed is almost identical to that of the previous (well, current) regime and per these posts it is putting people off parting with their cash. The way to make subscription-based enterprises work long-term, after the hype wears off, is to get the little things right each and every time. MCT are falling massively short of doing that. That's not to say there aren't valid reasons to falter, even in the early days, but to do so and then hide behind anonymity, silence, and entitlement is a sure-fire path to disengagement and ultimately failure. Their last statement really isn't good enough, either. They keep harping on about having ~ChArTeReD aCcCoUnTaNtS~ (who is impressed by this credential) as if it matters. The budget structure was announced back in April; why are they still going on about it now? What are they actually doing beyond saying how massively qualified they are to be doing all the things that haven't happened yet, such as building a squad, releasing a kit, overhauling the commercial department, building the new structure between MCT and the Club and the property company... there's a lot of grandiose stuff in the April document and while much of it - most notably the stadium overhaul - should be measured in years and not months, where are the progress reports to the membership? Again, I'm personally far less concerned about knowing the exact composition of the incoming BoD than I am knowing that the roles so key to the delivery of the points above are filled effectively. There is no evidence that this is the case. I've swithered on joining MCT for a long time now but on the strength of its current performance there's no way I'm signing up. Eagerly awaiting the kit launch, though. Per the June 24th announcement that's coming next week (they termed it the kit launch, as opposed to the kit announcement, so I'm not sure what to expect by July 2nd, but I guess we'll find out.) If the kit's halfway decent I'll probably order both the home and the away. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cet Homme Charmant Posted June 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2021 With the exception of PP (Gordon), I'm sure everyone on here wants MCT's tenure as custodians of our club to be a great success. It's very early days and there's still plenty of time for them to turn things around. But, they can either take the the legitimate concerns voiced on here with contempt and ignore them, or take them onboard and react accordingly. If it's the former, then I fear 'community ownership' is doomed before it has even started. If it's the latter, they're in with a shout of making a good go at it, and I'll be more than happy to sign up. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vikingTON Posted June 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2021 I'm not sure that MCT view this place as a bunch of keyboard warriors (at least not yet) and their latest 'there is no update' update seemed a genuine (though not convincing) attempt to address issues raised on here. I don't want the club's owners to be reactively dealing with a whole stack of issues raised on a forum though - if there are a couple of oversights that get resolved then fine, but not to this extent. Some of these issues should have been perfectly obvious to the MCT board themselves, so fans on a forum pushing them to get their finger out raises more questions than answers. In a fortnight's time from now, our first competive season under a (lawyers pending) new, fan-owned future will be underway. You couldn't tell that at all from the club right now. Even under existing restrictions, which do proclude things like a genuine pre-season tour, there has still been an opportunity missed here to combine pre-season games with a kit launch, effective communication throughout and any other schemes to steadily raise anticipation and sell the idea that GMFC is having a fresh start here. None of that has occurred yet and it is not all down to lawyers and accountants. Demonstrate that change to the fanbase through actions rather than words. 1 5 The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EanieMeany Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 On 6/21/2021 at 12:02 PM, Toby said: This is a load of nonsense, let’s be honest. The Trust lost all credibility after 2009, if not before that, as vT points out. The irreparable damage that was done to it after that fiasco killed any faith the support could have had for the Trust and was the reason MCT had to be formed in the first place. The Trust wouldn’t even take my money after about 2005, why on Earth would I expect them to take onboard my opinions? As for MCT- even the simplest question, as to who’s actually running the show, is being completely blanked. I get that there are legalities to go through at the moment, but the identities of the prime movers and shakers in there are anyone’s guess. I’m afraid that not identifying yourself to the folk who are putting the money in, and not having to answer for some, let’s say “controversial” decision making when your feet are barely under the desk is a fault on the part of MCT’s top boys, not of the rank-and-file whose bank accounts are being debited every month in order to put these people into positions of authority and power, but not of accountability as yet. My own stance in regard to MCT is that I contribute to them as they’re the only show in town, and the alternative is worse, but I signed up to MCT because I felt that fan ownership was beginning to look like the only realistic way forward. I didn’t sign up to fund a consortium of mates onto the board of the club who don’t even respect myself and the other 800 odd contributors enough to answer the simplest of questions, let alone put their head above the parapet and answer the ones about signing a registered sex offender. I want to know who these guys are and how they’ve been selected for their roles, as the members outside their Leadership Team have certainly not been consulted on their credentials and the process for selecting them, which shouldn’t just be down to a couple of pals who are using our money. If you’ll excuse me for now, I’ll certainly not be trying to work closely with a group of guys who at the moment I don’t trust as far as I can spit. Right, maybe I didn't quite phrase the previous post as clearly as I may have. The Trust quite evidently became a discredited basket-case a long time ago and lost the faith of most fans many moons ago and rightly so, of that there's no doubt; at the same time though, there was also people who made a big effort to try to resurrect it thereafter and done a lot of good things that helped the club via a lot of time and effort. If people were as interested in putting themselves forward to contribute as they are to take personal pops at others who did do so, the Trust was entirely viable; indeed, MCT would arguably have been much better off taking over the Trust framework as their vehicle rather than the incoherent format it's taken so far. Some people are mouthpieces that hide behind keyboards and would never dare say what they do on here to others in person - something I'm well aware doesn't apply to yourself, and I'd more than happily have this discussion over a pint (and look forward to it too, it's always enjoyable talking all things Morton with you); others are all talk, no trousers. I also don't disagree at all that the lack of transparency from MCT is extremely poor, and frankly I have little faith in them; I'll willingly rescind what I said about them as there's a lingering suspicion that there's a huge element of self-lionising and lack of suitable skills or experience about those involved - for example, "the boy with the drum" being amongst their named group. With all due respect to him, it's not a qualification to be part of a club's ownership (for all I know he's very well suited to do so), but nonetheless I tip my hat to those who've got involved and again...although again, that doesn't at all earn a free pass. On a similar note, I'll also admit that I'm simply not interested enough these days to take any kind of active role in anything and to an extent this is all maybe a bit hypocritical, but which is why I admire anybody who does get off their computers and get involved. AWMSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRVMP Posted June 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2021 2 hours ago, EanieMeany said: Right, maybe I didn't quite phrase the previous post as clearly as I may have. The Trust quite evidently became a discredited basket-case a long time ago and lost the faith of most fans many moons ago and rightly so, of that there's no doubt; at the same time though, there was also people who made a big effort to try to resurrect it thereafter and done a lot of good things that helped the club via a lot of time and effort. If people were as interested in putting themselves forward to contribute as they are to take personal pops at others who did do so, the Trust was entirely viable; indeed, MCT would arguably have been much better off taking over the Trust framework as their vehicle rather than the incoherent format it's taken so far. Some people are mouthpieces that hide behind keyboards and would never dare say what they do on here to others in person - something I'm well aware doesn't apply to yourself, and I'd more than happily have this discussion over a pint (and look forward to it too, it's always enjoyable talking all things Morton with you); others are all talk, no trousers. I also don't disagree at all that the lack of transparency from MCT is extremely poor, and frankly I have little faith in them; I'll willingly rescind what I said about them as there's a lingering suspicion that there's a huge element of self-lionising and lack of suitable skills or experience about those involved - for example, "the boy with the drum" being amongst their named group. With all due respect to him, it's not a qualification to be part of a club's ownership (for all I know he's very well suited to do so), but nonetheless I tip my hat to those who've got involved and again...although again, that doesn't at all earn a free pass. On a similar note, I'll also admit that I'm simply not interested enough these days to take any kind of active role in anything and to an extent this is all maybe a bit hypocritical, but which is why I admire anybody who does get off their computers and get involved. Strong disagree. The Trust wasn't for most of its existence a subscription-based enterprise, which was realistically the only way to get the Raes out; and the top brass were at the end of the day too aligned with Crawford's interests to really effect change. This isn't to exonerate MCT but rather to say they did the right thing by seeking a clearer path. For one thing, even leaving aside anything to do with the Trust, it was an unknown quantity, which gave it something of an advantage. I don't think the format of MCT is incoherent, at that. Rather it's the execution. Almost everything they wrote down in April makes perfect sense. It's now a question of execution. The way forward is fairly clear - maximize revenue, engage the fans, engage the community, get the basics right, and in the longer term look at the fixed assets and what they should be doing for Morton. If they can stay focused on this I think they can do great things. But it's a big if. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_panther Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57629123 It would be good to know if Morton have applied for an increase in capacity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vikingTON Posted June 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, EanieMeany said: Right, maybe I didn't quite phrase the previous post as clearly as I may have. The Trust quite evidently became a discredited basket-case a long time ago and lost the faith of most fans many moons ago and rightly so, of that there's no doubt; at the same time though, there was also people who made a big effort to try to resurrect it thereafter and done a lot of good things that helped the club via a lot of time and effort. If people were as interested in putting themselves forward to contribute as they are to take personal pops at others who did do so, the Trust was entirely viable; indeed, MCT would arguably have been much better off taking over the Trust framework as their vehicle rather than the incoherent format it's taken so far. In what ways did GMST actually "help the club", given that it continued to circle the drain owing £2 million plus debt to a family who had no interest in anything other than getting something for 'their' money back? The late era Rae debacle took place under GMST's watch and it did nothing - absolutely nothing - to address the fundamental questions of succession and ownership of the club. Any measures that were undertaken then were de facto a hauner for Golden Casket and not GMFC. This was unsurprisingly MCT's original position as well, but they have at least been moved quickly to take a more critical appraisal. The Trust was not even a remotely viable organisation for change not just because of its historical debacles but also because, in the post-Bucketgate era, it acted as a stepping stone for its officeholders to try and ingratiate themselves with the Rae regime and get their blazer and club tie spot on the board. Even when the outcome of the ridiculous restructuring cheerleaded for by a senior Trust/club figure led directly to the most shameful season in living memory in 2013/14: for which there has been no genuine accountability. This revisionism of 'bad Trust' and 'good Trust' simply will not do then. As for 'the boy with a drum' who you deride, he's at least not disqualified from being involved in an official post by dint of steering the last fan group into a fucking wall and nearly letting the club go the way of Airdrie or Clyde: which is the black mark on GMST officeholders whether they like that or not. The club ran up over £2 million of completely unpayable debt and nearly lost its ground in a contemptible debt swap scheme - and from the GMST we heard nothing against the club ownership at any time. Edited June 27, 2021 by vikingTON 1 3 The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 30 minutes ago, pink_panther said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57629123 It would be good to know if Morton have applied for an increase in capacity Why do you care, you aren't likely to attend. *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 What's wrong with "Boy with a drum"? *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, capitanus said: What's wrong with "Boy with a drum"? I don't get it either, it was obviously symbolic gesture to demonstrate MCT is fully inclusive and open to all fans, young and old. There are far bigger things to be concerned about with MCT than this. In fact, even bringing it up makes it easy for MCT or anyone else to claim that we've got some sort of axe to grind and are just complaining for the sake of it, which is absolutely not the case (PP (Gordon) excepted). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_panther Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 5 hours ago, capitanus said: Why do you care, you aren't likely to attend. Of course I'll be there unless the fuck it up and only let in so many season ticket holders.I dont want to miss our prolific goalscorers in action 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbru Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 11 hours ago, vikingTON said: In what ways did GMST actually "help the club", given that it continued to circle the drain owing £2 million plus debt to a family who had no interest in anything other than getting something for 'their' money back? The late era Rae debacle took place under GMST's watch and it did nothing - absolutely nothing - to address the fundamental questions of succession and ownership of the club. Any measures that were undertaken then were de facto a hauner for Golden Casket and not GMFC. This was unsurprisingly MCT's original position as well, but they have at least been moved quickly to take a more critical appraisal. The Trust was not even a remotely viable organisation for change not just because of its historical debacles but also because, in the post-Bucketgate era, it acted as a stepping stone for its officeholders to try and ingratiate themselves with the Rae regime and get their blazer and club tie spot on the board. Even when the outcome of the ridiculous restructuring cheerleaded for by a senior Trust/club figure led directly to the most shameful season in living memory in 2013/14: for which there has been no genuine accountability. This revisionism of 'bad Trust' and 'good Trust' simply will not do then. As for 'the boy with a drum' who you deride, he's at least not disqualified from being involved in an official post by dint of steering the last fan group into a fucking wall and nearly letting the club go the way of Airdrie or Clyde: which is the black mark on GMST officeholders whether they like that or not. The club ran up over £2 million of completely unpayable debt and nearly lost its ground in a contemptible debt swap scheme - and from the GMST we heard nothing against the club ownership at any time. You won't agree but the trust raised 10s of thousands for the youth academy, ran fans games, got volunteers to help maintain the stadium and sorted a hall of fame. It's probably more relevant that they also got an audience with Neil Doncaster and made the opposition to rangers dropping down the leagues known. It would be good if mct done the same with colts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfever Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 On 6/27/2021 at 1:22 AM, capitanus said: Maybe your intentions were honourable, I don't doubt that they were, however this doesn't entitle you to be parachuted into a plum job at Morton because you have been been involved in a fan owned club somewhere else. Next. What about relevant experience that could help MCT address and overcome supporter concerns around ticketing, retail, and how to communicate to and reconnect with its supporter-base? 1 What Carew can do with a ball, I can do with an orange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, irnbru said: You won't agree but the trust raised 10s of thousands for the youth academy, ran fans games, got volunteers to help maintain the stadium and sorted a hall of fame. Whose responsibility was it - at a professional football club - to ensure that the youth 'academy' (which is nothing of the sort btw) and the ground is maintained? Is it: a) Golden Casket, the owners of the club with a supermajority share holding, or b) GMST, by getting voluntary donations from supporters? If you picked b) then the wallet inspector will be around shortly for your latest check. As I said previously, the club has been openly spiralling into a crisis situation for the past fifteen years, and the stance taken by GMST was to give hauners to the Raes while obtaining nothing in return for that assistance. Enabling a disinterested regime to keep all the power and delegate as much responsibility as they could did not help GMFC one jot and only meant that the final reckoning would come at a later date and with a larger IOU attached. It was an utterly gormless position and underlines exactly why your organisation failed. "It's probably more relevant that they also got an audience with Neil Doncaster and made the opposition to rangers dropping down the leagues known. It would be good if mct done the same with colts." It's really not, given that the decision about Rangers was made by representatives of the 41 football clubs in the SPL/SFL alone, and executives like Doncaster played no role in the final outcome (which they opposed from their media bully pulpit throughout as 'Armageddon'). But you keep telling yourself that it was the GMST wot won it, all while the club that you were supposed to be preserving for future generations was being run into the ground with your supine approval. Edited June 28, 2021 by vikingTON The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 4 hours ago, hayfever said: What about relevant experience that could help MCT address and overcome supporter concerns around ticketing, retail, and how to communicate to and reconnect with its supporter-base? Would it be cheeky to ask what club you have fan ownership experience with, and what your roles are/were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Cet Homme Charmant said: Would it be cheeky to ask what club you have fan ownership experience with, and what your roles are/were? ERRA MATCHDAY PROGRAMMES *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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