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Because its a fucking stupid question which has been answered already.


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and Golden casket can do a share issue anytime 

Because its a fucking stupid question which has been answered already.


"Boy, I got vision, and the rest of the world wears bifocals."

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Rather than inviting us to trawl through Twitter, could you just tell us who’s involved?

 

Rhyming off a couple of ex-players from a bygone era who have given you their backing doesn’t sit to easily for those of us looking for a bit of transparency.

 

What about those not involved in the Leadership Team? Are there some who are taking a back seat?

 

I genuinely wish any project that’s of benefit to Morton all the best, but remain far from convinced at the moment about this one. Are there any of those previously involved with the GMST involved? Any potentially divisive local councillors with tendencies to lean towards, Celtic?

 

In spite of your protestations, I’m really not sure we’re being told everything about everyone involved.

Fwiw, the tonasauras fam arent involved


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This will insist that Hopkin/The Manager does receive every penny, unless the majority of our pledgers don't want this to be the case

 

Mr Rae has already publicly stated that this will be the case and as the representative of the 90+ % shareholder, he effectively controls the GMFC Board

 

But as the mere representative and not the controlling interest in the club's largest shareholder, Mr Rae's public statements cannot be considered the last word. What's to stop the Golden Casket board adopting a different stance and telling Mr Rae to backpedal from that stance on their company's behalf?

 

MCT needs to understand that getting firm commitments from GC are more important in building credibility for this or any other plan for the club than Crawford Rae's statements in support. Because as we've just seen with the fate of his last three year plan, the ultimate decision-making power does not lie solely at his door. 

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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

 

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are

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But as the mere representative and not the controlling interest in the club's largest shareholder, Mr Rae's public statements cannot be considered the last word. What's to stop the Golden Casket board adopting a different stance and telling Mr Rae to backpedal from that stance on their company's behalf?

 

MCT needs to understand that getting firm commitments from GC are more important in building credibility for this or any other plan for the club than Crawford Rae's statements in support. Because as we've just seen with the fate of his last three year plan, the ultimate decision-making power does not lie solely at his door.

 

 

To be fair i think hes trying to get written confirmation from Crawford and GC

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To be fair i think hes trying to get written confirmation from Crawford and GC

 

Then he probably should have stated that in his response to an earlier question regarding guarantees on investment, instead of essentially claiming 'Crawford says so and therefore it's definitely going to happen' because those aren't the same positions.

 

This isn't meant to be a dig but I'm not interested in any 'from what I've heard' running commentaries on what MCT's are really doing or thinking right now. I think that's by far the quickest route to GMST-land and complete disengagement from the rest of the fanbase tbh. It would be better for all information or claims about MCT's activities or intentions to be put out there and owned by those who are actually accountable within that organisation; and if the group has to clarify its position then its officials should be left to do that task in their own time. 

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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

 

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are

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Then he probably should have stated that in his response to an earlier question regarding guarantees on investment, instead of essentially claiming 'Crawford says so and therefore it's definitely going to happen' because those aren't the same positions.

 

This isn't meant to be a dig but I'm not interested in any 'from what I've heard' running commentaries on what MCT's are really doing or thinking right now. I think that's by far the quickest route to GMST-land and complete disengagement from the rest of the fanbase tbh. It would be better for all information or claims about MCT's activities or intentions to be put out there and owned by those who are actually accountable within that organisation; and if the group has to clarify its position then its officials should be left to do that task in their own time.

Other than crawfords word at this time, and given this is clearly a development, what else can he assume? Taking Crawford at face value, rightly or wrongly


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Primary objective is to invest in the GMFC first team in the next two seasons

 

 

Isn't that an extremely short-termist objective?

 

What happens if, God forbid, the investment in the first team is squandered on shite players? What then? Your hairbrained idea of 'ivry buddy chips in munny' then dies on its arse.

 

For all their faults, the GMST were head and shoulders above in terms of the thought behind their organisation and what they were aiming to achieve. Their objective was to acquire a substantial shareholding to enable the supporters to have a stake and a say in how things were run at Morton. Granted that both Jim McColl and Stuart Duncan were very ineffective at holding DDFR to account and were unable to prevent reckless spending/borrowing or the Debt-for-equity swap which almost wiped out GMST's once substantial shareholdings, however that is as a result of failings of individuals rather than their initial idea being a failure.

 

We've got a legal and charity expert working on the share structure. Having met with Hibs and St Mirren supporters groups every club appears to have done this differently. Whatever is recommended as the best solution will be run past pledgers and we will go ahead with the consensus.

 

 

In other words, you're not sure.

 

Morton already have a supporters trust, jut like these Hibs and St.Mirren 'supporters groups' which you have mentioned. The GMST is regulated by the industrial and provident societies act and the concept of a Morton supporters trust remains a good idea, despite the failings of previous office bearers within the organisation.

 

I can't help but think you are looking to reinvent the wheel here.

 

MCT itself will be a legally constituted social enterprise/non profit. Again the same expert is recommending the best structure to deliver what MCT is trying to deliver.

 

 

In other words, you're not sure.

 

The Board of MCT will be legally responsible. The Board will be constituted from the Leadership Team (LT) currently made up of around 20 volunteers. Whether the Board is appointed through formal election depends on the legal structure.

 

 

Already an Us/them scenario is developing with this scheme with your 'Leadership Team'.

 

Money back is an important issue and being covered by the legal expert, as this is part of their brief. What I can say is that I will insist that anyone paying a 24 month Direct Debit will be able to stop this. MCT will not chase people for money they don't want to pay.

 

 

Is this 'legal expert' working on this pro bono? He's looking into a helluva lot of things.

 

 

MCT is not the GMST. MCT has been/is being set up to deliver this current project.

 

Timescales for the above is tight in order to enable first payments to GMFC in July 2019.

We are working very hard to deliver this.

The GMST was far better organised than this. It had clear objectives from the outset. The people organising the GMST may have had fall-outs etc. at the bitter end but it was far more superior to this hairbrained 'ivry buddy chips in munny' idea which seems more about allowing the owners of the club to abdicate their responsibilities than it does about giving the supporters a say in how things are run at Morton.

 

That's my final thoughts on this idea - it's hairbrained. You don't seem to have a clue.

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Because its a fucking stupid question which has been answered already.

Brian raised a very good question which I cannot see an answer.

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Brian raised a very good question which I cannot see an answer.

I suspect ToM had a few libations last night.

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Mixed feelings about this but I've decided to support this initiative. I fully understand the concerns expressed above but anything that offers a chance to slow down or very optimistically help to reverse our decline is worth a punt. 

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Mixed feelings about this but I've decided to support this initiative. I fully understand the concerns expressed above but anything that offers a chance to slow down or very optimistically help to reverse our decline is worth a punt.

In other words, a crap idea is better than no idea?


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In other words, a crap idea is better than no idea?

I'm sceptical too mate but what do we have to lose really?


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I'm sceptical too mate but what do we have to lose really?

A few hundred pound each, plus the likelihood that a better idea in the future may fail as supporters would be less likely to back it.

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In other words, a crap idea is better than no idea?

 

Let me know when the perfect solution that is a sure bet arrives and I'm sure I can be persuaded to support that as well.

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Let me know when the perfect solution that is a sure bet arrives and I'm sure I can be persuaded to support that as well.

This. A working progress and typical morton fans want the polished product.

 

Sad


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This. A working progress and typical morton fans want the polished product.

 

Sad

Aye, pretty much. The guy is trying to do a good thing here and give us at least some influence in what goes on at Cappielow. Is it perfect? No. Does stuff need ironed out still? Absolutely. It’s ambitious, but it’s still in its infancy. It’d be good to see the majority of the support behind it.

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Let me know when the perfect solution that is a sure bet arrives and I'm sure I can be persuaded to support that as well.

Were you ever a member of the GMST?

 

There is a better alternative out there - it goes along the lines of the Rae family selling part of their shareholding to individual investors and the supporters become shareholders in the club that way. We don't need to pledge or subscribe to an organization which is still at it embryonic stages to have them own the shares which we'd be paying for. We already have a fans collective - it's called the GMST.

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Aye, pretty much. The guy is trying to do a good thing here and give us at least some influence in what goes on at Cappielow. Is it perfect? No. Does stuff need ironed out still? Absolutely. It’s ambitious, but it’s still in its infancy. It’d be good to see the majority of the support behind it.

Is he? As I said previously, it's hairbrained. I will never make Stuart Duncans Christmas Card list anytime soon, but to his credit he was way more organized and had a lot more thought put into the idea of a supporters trust, and this was almost 20 years earlier when such organizations were in their infancy.


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This. A working progress and typical morton fans want the polished product.

 

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I expect something a bit better than this hairbrained effort. 'ivry buddy chip in munny furra' ton' with the endorsement of a gurning Andy Ritchie is what this effectively amounts to.


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Were you ever a member of the GMST?

 

There is a better alternative out there - it goes along the lines of the Rae family selling part of their shareholding to individual investors and the supporters become shareholders in the club that way. We don't need to pledge or subscribe to an organization which is still at it embryonic stages to have them own the shares which we'd be paying for. We already have a fans collective - it's called the GMST.

So a rabble of fans with no organisation who all, independently, own a miniscule proportion of the club giving money to the Raes (NOT MORTON) is better than a fans block with a democratic structure who own a small (but not miniscule) percentage of the club, have representation on the Board and give ALL money straight to the team?

 

On what planet is your suggestion better?

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Is he? As I said previously, it's hairbrained. I will never make Stuart Duncans Christmas Card list anytime soon, but to his credit he was way more organized and had a lot more thought put into the idea of a supporters trust, and this was almost 20 years earlier when such organizations were in their infancy.

What do you think he’s trying to do then? He’s clearly not taking people’s money and riding off into the sunset with it. You can take issue with how it’s structured, distributed etc but I don’t really see how you could say the guy has anything other than good intentions. He’d have literally nothing to gain.

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