Hej Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 The Rangers fans on twitter reacting with disgust to prove yet again that they are the dregs of football and society. Horrible human beings to a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 The fact that Rangers went on to win probably removes any possible controversy. But what if the game ended in a draw or Partick had gone on to win? It could have opened up a huge can of worms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 The controversy would have been over Rangers' decision to cost themselves a goal in the terms of the contest, not in the terms of fixing the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 If a team voluntarily concedes a goal and that then materially effects the outcome of the game, then for sure it could be considered a possible match fixing issue. Maybe not in this particular case as Rangers went on to win anyway, but if this were to become a commonplace practice in the game it could most definitely be open to abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Cet Homme Charmant said: If a team voluntarily concedes a goal and that then materially effects the outcome of the game, then for sure it could be considered a possible match fixing issue. Maybe not in this particular case as Rangers went on to win anyway, but if this were to become a commonplace practice in the game it could most definitely be open to abuse. Regardless of the result, there can still easily be elements of match fixing involved, though. Someone might have made a few quid off Tiffoney to score anytime, or over 4.5 goals in the game, whilst there’ll also be losers on bets that were adversely affected by the goal. Whilst it didn’t directly affect the winner of the tie, and it could be argued that that’s the risk that folk take by gambling, I think it’s not unreasonable that they place their bets in good faith that one of the teams aren’t going to deliberately chuck in a goal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Toby said: Regardless of the result, there can still easily be elements of match fixing involved, though. Someone might have made a few quid off Tiffoney to score anytime, or over 4.5 goals in the game, whilst there’ll also be losers on bets that were adversely affected by the goal. Whilst it didn’t directly affect the winner of the tie, and it could be argued that that’s the risk that folk take by gambling, I think it’s not unreasonable that they place their bets in good faith that one of the teams aren’t going to deliberately chuck in a goal. Completely agree, there are indeed multiple possible betting implications from deliberately conceding a goal. While I'm sure in this case there was no match fixing intentions, could you say the same if it happened in a Slovenian 2nd division game, for example. It's opening a can of worms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Cet Homme Charmant said: Completely agree, there are indeed multiple possible betting implications from deliberately conceding a goal. While I'm sure in this case there was no match fixing intentions, could you say the same if it happened in a Slovenian 2nd division game, for example. It's opening a can of worms. Or could a Slovenian who is gambling on a game in Scotland between a club which is well known across the world and unbeaten in months and a team that is in the second tier of Scotland’s domestic league and has recently lost two two of the worst teams in said division at home be quite so confident that there was no jiggery-pokery? If you read the (excellent) article on this very website, you’ll note that there is a history of wheeling and dealing between Partick and the old Rangers in this very competition, which may or may not have involved brown envelopes ahead of the 1922 semi final, a match which Rangers won, before going on to be SWORDED in the final. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 I'm not saying it's impossible, nor that it doesn't affect gamblers. I'm sure a lot of people had Rangers to win by 2 or more, and this act of quote-unquote fair play would have gubbed that bet. What I'm saying is that match fixing is a very unlikely scenario for this simply because it's such a noticable way of doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) That would probably be the case at the top level where there are multiple TV camera from all angles, so getting away with it as a method of match-fixing would be very difficult, I agree. And of course, players and mangers at that level would be far less likely to get involved in that as they're already very well rewarded financially, and it would be mad for them to jeopardise that. But if it's generally accepted as a part of the game to deliberately concede a goal as an act of sportsmanship, it may not always be easy to differentiate between genuine sportsmanship and skullduggery if it's at a lower level where there will be much less scrutiny and analysis. And of course the financial rewards for match-fixing at that level is going to be much more tempting for players and managers alike. Edited February 13 by Cet Homme Charmant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 That's fair, but again it's the thin end of the wedge - there's also far less scrutiny of the far more easily-achieved spot betting markets like first booking and so on. I'm not saying this is a 0% concern, but any weak point in the chain (e.g. lack of cameras) is going to be far more easily exploited by things that happen each and every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 (edited) On 8/7/2022 at 10:57 PM, Cet Homme Charmant said: Finished 4-2 to Antwerp, well deserved to be fair, they were quite impressive. If you're a betting man put a tenner on them winning the league, they're a very decent outside bet. So, as a result of Genk spectacularly bottling after the league split, it goes right to the wire on Sunday with a winner takes all match between Royal Antwerp and Union St Gilloise. Either way, it will be Royal Antwerp's first title since season 1956-57, or USG's first since 1934-35. If Antwerp do end up as champions, I'll be expecting a pint from anyone who took my advice above, the next time I'm back over the road. Edited May 25 by Cet Homme Charmant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 On 5/25/2023 at 9:05 PM, Cet Homme Charmant said: So, as a result of Genk spectacularly bottling after the league split, it goes right to the wire on Sunday with a winner takes all match between Royal Antwerp and Union St Gilloise. Either way, it will be Royal Antwerp's first title since season 1956-57, or USG's first since 1934-35. If Antwerp do end up as champions, I'll be expecting a pint from anyone who took my advice above, the next time I'm back over the road. Only found out last Friday that in fact this wasn't in fact the last game of the season, d'oh! What a fanny. So, anyway, Antwerp were 1 up and cruising against 10 man Union, and if it had stayed that way they would have been champions, but Union equalised with their only shot on target in the whole game, aided by a wicked deflection. So it now goes into the actual final game this weekend, with Genk now back in the mix (Antwerp and Union both have 46 points and Genk have 45) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted Sunday at 07:16 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:16 PM Oooft, Antwerp champions for the first time since season 1956-57 with a 94th minute equaliser at Genk. If you took my advice at the start of the season to put a tenner on them to win the league, you're very welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted Sunday at 09:49 PM Author Share Posted Sunday at 09:49 PM Toby Alderweireld with the goal, very nicely taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted Monday at 12:12 PM Share Posted Monday at 12:12 PM 14 hours ago, TRVMP said: Toby Alderweireld with the goal, very nicely taken. Aye, it was some strike. Just missed the goal live as I had turned it over to watch the penalty shoot-out at Dingwall. Guy I work with is a Genk fan, and to say he was gutted this morning is an understatement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted Monday at 02:55 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:55 PM It was some afternoon right enough, all 3 teams in the running were 'champions' at some point https://www.brusselstimes.com/sports/537839/antwerp-crowned-jupiler-pro-league-champions-after-final-day-thriller?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0PQgkpfqUMQvlt_7NKphqY9b-8s5RTrrK-Amm83HHZvJzbZaDW7rSlvVQ#Echobox=1685955773 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted yesterday at 09:11 PM Share Posted yesterday at 09:11 PM (edited) With all of the elation and hilarity at Partick Thistle being shite and staying down I almost forgot my annual laugh at Hamburg fucking things up in the Bundesliga play-offs. Again. So here goes... Edited yesterday at 09:12 PM by capitanus 1 SACK THE BOARD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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