bigdoc1874 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I think its all a big fuss over nothing, they were probably concentrating more on what they were going to cook for their mans tea than some silly song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasta Ton Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I see Wiggo didn't sing GSTQ. He should be stripped of his gold medal and I expect Cammo to publicly condemn his actions as morally repugnant. FIRST DIVISION RUNNERS UP 2012/13 Hey Man - Enough of your Stupidness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axeman Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 In the same way as I did when I left the hymn book on the pew at the last funeral I went to. Probably just as well as I'm sure the relatives had suffered enough already. I'd love to have you both for dinner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissiboi Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Everyone carry on nothing to see here it was a reference from the Daily Mail. Unless Bradley Wiggins has gotten his priorities right think I'd be more chuffed getting a message from Johnny Marr than the Queen. Lets face it everything you get a letter there she is whats the big deal. In other olympic news did anyone see Boris on the zip wire is there nothing this guy won't do to get into the news !! Where are those olympic archers when you need them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie McArthur Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Probably just as well as I'm sure the relatives had suffered enough already. Too true. MARTY OUT!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 She was vilified by the Unionist press all because she wouldn't conform to the british establishment. She doesn't believe GStQ to be her national anthem because she is a Scot. She stood up for what she believed in. Then the logical thing to do would have been to decline the invitation to play. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Then the logical thing to do would have been to decline the invitation to play. Deary me, that's absolute nonsense, even for you. Participation in the Olympics should never be reserved only for patriots and nationalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Deary me, that's absolute nonsense, even for you. Participation in the Olympics should never be reserved only for patriots and nationalists. Loving the poor attempt at condecension Rentier but in this case I fear your may be wrong, I would agree if you're in a solo event like 100m sprint, discus etc but she's playing for a National Team Which part of national team is causing difficulty? "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 And that's nonsense even from you, it works if you're in a solo event like 100m sprint, discus etc but she's playing for a National Team Which part of national team is causing difficulty? That's complete bollox, and you know it. Are you seriously saying that an athlete who does not believe in the concept of nationhood or national patriotism cannot compete in a team sport in the Olympics? An athlete in a team sport in the Olympics can perfectly reasonably feel that they're competing for their team and not for their country. If you really believe that pish you're spouting then I worry about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted August 3, 2012 Author Share Posted August 3, 2012 Loving the poor attempt at condecension Rentier but in this case I fear your may be wrong, I would agree if you're in a solo event like 100m sprint, discus etc but she's playing for a National Team Which part of national team is causing difficulty? Scotland's a nation. GB as constituted in Team GB isn't - at best, if you add NI to the mix you have a multinational state with a province added. "Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 That's complete bollox, and you know it. Always good to start with an unproven and unprovable assertion. Are you seriously saying that an athlete who does not believe in the concept of nationhood or national patriotism cannot compete in a team sport in the Olympics? No, I'm suggesting that it takes a peculiar type of hypocrisy to play for a National team but not sing the national anthem. An athlete in a team sport in the Olympics can perfectly reasonably feel that they're competing for their team and not for their country. The team which represents the country. If you really believe that pish you're spouting then I worry about you. Again with condescension. You were better at trolling in the past. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Scotland's a nation. Funny, I had a wee look at the UN website and couldn't see it listed. GB as constituted in Team GB isn't - at best, if you add NI to the mix you have a multinational state with a province added. I have a sneaking feeling that GB is a contraction of "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 No, I'm suggesting that it takes a peculiar type of hypocrisy to play for a National team but not sing the national anthem. .......are you seriously saying that if play in team sport in the Olympics then you must sing the sign the national anthem?..... you are aren't you............fwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Away and don't talk pish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted August 3, 2012 Author Share Posted August 3, 2012 Funny, I had a wee look at the UN website and couldn't see it listed. I have a sneaking feeling that GB is a contraction of "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. So you are denying that Scotland is a nation? Why do we have a national football team then? Better get on to the SFA and tell them to resign from FIFA. I repeat, the UK, or GB if you want to contract it, is a multinational state, not a nation. Unless you believe Scotland isn't a nation. "Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissiboi Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Always good to start with an unproven and unprovable assertion. No, I'm suggesting that it takes a peculiar type of hypocrisy to play for a National team but not sing the national anthem. The team which represents the country. Again with condescension. You were better at trolling in the past. What about Muslims and atheists are they not allowed to compete then ? Anyway in a democratic society shouldn't anyone have the right to choose their display of whatever jingoistic imperialism you wish ? People would rightly criticise the artificial displays of national pride forced on the populous by many regimes. The idea of national pride to some flag get a life respect should be earned not as a given, singing about some invisible entity that doesn't exist to save one other person, how does that signify nationhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 What about Muslims and atheists are they not allowed to compete then ? Anyway in a democratic society shouldn't anyone have the right to choose their display of whatever jingoistic imperialism you wish ? People would rightly criticise the artificial displays of national pride forced on the populous by many regimes. The idea of national pride to some flag get a life respect should be earned not as a given, singing about some invisible entity that doesn't exist to save one other person, how does that signify nationhood. Absolutely spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Then the logical thing to do would have been to decline the invitation to play. Should the Catalonian players have declined to play for Spain when they won the World and European Cups? Seen a couple of them grab the Catalonian flag when they won rather than wave a Spanish flag. Just another small gesture to make a bigger statement of Nationhood Don't blame me I voted Yes!!!! - We tried to tell you !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdoc1874 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 So you are denying that Scotland is a nation? Why do we have a national football team then? Better get on to the SFA and tell them to resign from FIFA. I repeat, the UK, or GB if you want to contract it, is a multinational state, not a nation. Unless you believe Scotland isn't a nation. lol, we got a football team so we are a nation, what about an airport ? should that qualify as identification of a nation. What about a flag, does that dictate if you are a nation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted August 3, 2012 Author Share Posted August 3, 2012 lol, we got a football team so we are a nation, what about an airport ? should that qualify as identification of a nation. What about a flag, does that dictate if you are a nation ? Well, there is a clue in the phrase "NATIONAL football team". We're not a nation as a result of having a football team; we have a national football team because we are a nation. Airports? Jeezo, what's that got to do with anything? "Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 .......are you seriously saying that if play in team sport in the Olympics then you must sing the sign the national anthem?..... you are aren't you............fwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Away and don't talk pish. No coherent argument then, just more abuse. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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