dunning1874 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Last year I think. Raul was elected with 99% of the vote. Unfortunately the opposition candidate was unavoidably detained. Christ, completely passed me by. I'd had some hope initially that Raul would make progress on democratisation while staying with socialist economics. That's another bit of idealism and denial from me ****ed then. Brian Wake my Lord, Brian Wake Brian Wake my Lord, Brian Wake Brian Wake my Lord, Brian Wake Oh Lord, Brian Wake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Christ, completely passed me by. I'd had some hope initially that Raul would make progress on democratisation while staying with socialist economics. That's another bit of idealism and denial from me ****ed then. Trotskyist. The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_mceleny Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Last year I think. Raul was elected with 99% of the vote. Unfortunately the opposition candidate was unavoidably detained. I think it was a 99% turn out, not his share of the vote. This is only possible though as everyone who is political in the country is a member of the one party. It's an ideal, I really don't think anyone wanting to start a rival party would be stopped, the bulk that oppose castros are in Florida those that remain are loyal hence the landslide. I was actually in Cuba at the last election, it started off at a 80 odd% turnout and was 99 when I left lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunning1874 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Trotskyist. Brian Wake my Lord, Brian Wake Brian Wake my Lord, Brian Wake Brian Wake my Lord, Brian Wake Oh Lord, Brian Wake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAFKAC Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I think it was a 99% turn out, not his share of the vote. This is only possible though as everyone who is political in the country is a member of the one party. It's an ideal, I really don't think anyone wanting to start a rival party would be stopped, the bulk that oppose castros are in Florida those that remain are loyal hence the landslide. I was actually in Cuba at the last election, it started off at a 80 odd% turnout and was 99 when I left lol Wow! And they say travel broadens the mind. "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhubarb Mess Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I was actually in Cuba at the last election, it started off at a 80 odd% turnout and was 99 when I left lol Was that odious arse Galloway sniffing around? We are a MEAN diddy team!!! SITTING ON THE FENCE!!! m1874 Blog<<<..V..>>>Ernies Blog GMST make your own mind up. "Hey!!! That tea leaf half-inched me wallet" Yours Roobs, AKA, Harry's Orville Duck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_mceleny Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Was that odious arse Galloway sniffing around? I dont think he'd be granted a visa as I think he's been to Israel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I dont think he'd be granted a visa as I think he's been to Israel... Frequent travellers usually have two passports, one for Israel and another for everywhere else. "Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Frequent travellers usually have two passports, one for Israel and another for everywhere else. Yep, my ex-boss was in that camp. His Israel passport pretty much had Israel and nowhere else; his other one at one point was so full of stamps that he was actually turned back at the South African border because there was no room for his visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_mceleny Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Frequent travellers usually have two passports, one for Israel and another for everywhere else. Can you apply for a second passport for no particular reason or do you not have to justify it like the the guys boss aboves need for one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Can you apply for a second passport for no particular reason or do you not have to justify it like the the guys boss aboves need for one? My ex-boss was traveling on an American passport and he had two for the aforementioned reason. I'm pretty sure the UK is the same - you fill in a form detailing why you need two, otherwise you won't get it. You can't just ask for one and get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAFKAC Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 My ex-boss was traveling on an American passport and he had two for the aforementioned reason. I'm pretty sure the UK is the same - you fill in a form detailing why you need two, otherwise you won't get it. You can't just ask for one and get it. As long as you can prove you're a frequent traveller, you can normally have more than one. The basis being that you need one for travel while the other one is getting visas for your other travel. "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Edwards Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I see that the UN Security Council has just now voted in favour of the establishment of a no fly zone. One can now hope for three things:- 1. The end of Gaddafi 2. That peace is restored as quickly as possible 3. Democratic self-determination for the Libyan people. As I say, one can hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 A week too late, unless they can impose an no-artillery and no-tank zone as well it doesn't look promising. The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Edwards Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 A week too late, unless they can impose an no-artillery and no-tank zone as well it doesn't look promising. It doesn't I agree, though the decision may bring encouragement to the rebels and the opposite to Gaddafi's forces. Whether that will be enough to prevent the fall of Benghazi at this stage, well, we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_mceleny Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 It doesn't I agree, though the decision may bring encouragement to the rebels and the opposite to Gaddafi's forces. Whether that will be enough to prevent the fall of Benghazi at this stage, well, we shall see. Again I'll ask Davie, why should we support these rebels? What are their plans? How will they run Libya? What do they stand for? Unless your blind France etc have already brokered a deal to pipe oil for support. Just as an aside, nearly 10 years after we went into afghanistan, 90% of world opium production is still from there, that's the sort of democracies we put in place. Also again Davie where was our beloved BBC over the years to tell us of how hard life under this evil tyrant was?? I know nobody who knows anyone with first hand information so I rely on the Murdoch press like most to know what's going on. Interestingly yet another leader is being turned into an evil tyrant in the space of a couple of weeks. Why is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Edwards Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Again I'll ask Davie, why should we support these rebels? Generally, because collectively they seem to stand against a murderous, fascist dictator. Reason enough to start with for me anyway, and I suggest, reason enough for any democratic socialist. Note that the resolution does not specifically support 'the rebels', the primary purpose is a ceasefire and the prevention of a potential massacre. What are their plans?We shall see, once a ceasefire is established and peace is restored. How will they run Libya? See above. What do they stand for?See above again. Unless your blind France etc have already brokered a deal to pipe oil for support. Not quite sure what you mean by 'your blind France etc', but the mention of oil deals is irrelevant. We already had oil deals in place with Gaddafi. You can thank Blair and Brown for that. Just as an aside, nearly 10 years after we went into afghanistan, 90% of world opium production is still from there, that's the sort of democracies we put in place. With wildly unconnected comparisons like that, maybe you're smoking it. What 'sort of democracy' is put in place should be a matter for the Libyan people, the no fly zone will hopefully begin to enable that process. Also again Davie where was our beloved BBC over the years to tell us of how hard life under this evil tyrant was?? I know nobody who knows anyone with first hand information so I rely on the Murdoch press like most to know what's going on. Interestingly yet another leader is being turned into an evil tyrant in the space of a couple of weeks. Why is this? Listen to the BBC and/or Al Jazeera for that matter but question what you hear, though you should always ignore the Murdoch press, absolutely and without reservation. And Gaddafi wasn't turned into an evil tyrant by anybody, he is one for real and he did it all by himself. Given your past statements about Castro and Guevara, you seem to have difficulty in recognising a fascist when you see one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_mceleny Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Generally, because collectively they seem to stand against a murderous, fascist dictator. Reason enough to start with for me anyway, and I suggest, reason enough for any democratic socialist. We shall see, once a ceasefire is established and peace is restored. See above. See above again. Not quite sure what you mean by 'your blind France etc', but the mention of oil deals is irrelevant. We already had oil deals in place with Gaddafi. You can thank Blair and Brown for that. With wildly unconnected comparisons like that, maybe you're smoking it. What 'sort of democracy' is put in place should be a matter for the Libyan people, the no fly zone will hopefully begin to enable that process. Listen to the BBC and/or Al Jazeera for that matter but question what you hear, though you should always ignore the Murdoch press, absolutely and without reservation. And Gaddafi wasn't turned into an evil tyrant by anybody, he is one for real and he did it all by himself. Learn to know a fascist when you see one Chris. "see above" it's a bit like asking me to buy a second hand car without knowing the mileage. I don't see how I could support these rebels not knowing that they aren't perhaps a Taliban style regime that will see woman put back in caves. When I see gadaffi I don't see a tyrant, BBC tells me he is one but still no evidence( video/photographic) of any humanitarian crimes the rebels allege he is making. It's not good enough for nick Cameron to say they asked for help,they've been doing that in Zimbabwe for years now. No natural resources though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Edwards Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 When I see gadaffi I don't see a tyrant It seems that way. What, with your opinions on Castro and Guevara, maybe you should've gone to Specsavers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Almost funny watching governments turn somersaults as the power struggle moves back and forth - first they all wanted to distance themselves from Gaddafi and soon they will probably all be kowtowing to him again in the manner of Tony Blair. I fear a massacre in Bengazhi but maybe Gaddafi will do what everybody doesn't expect as he frequently does. Mad as a hatter and a bit irrational. "Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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