Scottish Independence---yes---or---no

[scott_lithgows]

Yes,but I believe that an English national party will lead England out of the union before we do it.

[JonaTon]

Yes.

[tigerjock]

assumptions...never base a post on assumptions

[Alibi]

Yes. For RtB's reasons as well as for economic reasons. The unionist case is lost, particularly now that the SNP is in power and people can see for themselves that the predictions of disaster under an SNP administration were indeed just unionst scaremongering. With every day that passes, people are realising how badly served we were by the previous administration and asking "why on earth, if we are able to run our own country when we have the right people doing it, should we ever go back to letting a bunch of London-controlled numpties get their feet under the table?").

 

No doubt the media will continue to try to portray everything that happens as the SNP trying to pick fights, but thanks to the new media such as the internet, they are finding it very difficult to continue to suppress alternative viewpoints. Scotland is waking up from a 300 year bad dream.

[Guest midTONs]

assumptions...never base a post on assumptions

 

 

Can you please share with us what you have taken from the quick snapshot of the posters on here on the support for independence, surely you don't think the Morton support are the exception and go against the general feeling Independence in Scotland.

 

[franco]

Can you please share with us what you have taken from the quick snapshot of the posters on here on the support for independence, surely you don't think the Morton support are the exception and go against the general feeling Independence in Scotland.

A quick snapshot seems to suggest that this message board is well out of step with the general feeling towards independence in scotland. I'm astonished at how pro independence this board is given the very recent election results. even more so given greenock's solid, blind support for labour throughout my lifetime and beyond.

[Guest Robert the Bruce]

A quick snapshot seems to suggest that this message board is well out of step with the general feeling towards independence in scotland.

 

Says who?

 

Here read this one its a classic even Wendy dolls husband thinks its time - CLICK

 

 

[TRVMP]

I'll be delighted with anything that gets that dishy Sean Connery back on our screens.

[le_chien_manquee]

I'll be delighted with anything that gets that dishy Sean Connery back on our screens.

 

lay off the chocolates, twinkletoes.

[le_chien_manquee]

alibi, i'm constantly amazed by your predictions. you seem to think that what you believe is the same that's going on in everyone else's heads. how do you explain labour getting over 50% of the vote in inverclyde at the last general election? the facts are that most people fear change and most scots do not vote for the snp.

 

i'm worried that england will cut us loose before we decide on independence, which would f*** us up as a nation for another 300 years.

[TRVMP]

lay off the chocolates, twinkletoes.

 

I only had three

[Alibi]

alibi, i'm constantly amazed by your predictions. you seem to think that what you believe is the same that's going on in everyone else's heads. how do you explain labour getting over 50% of the vote in inverclyde at the last general election? the facts are that most people fear change and most scots do not vote for the snp.

 

i'm worried that england will cut us loose before we decide on independence, which would f*** us up as a nation for another 300 years.

Probably 50% of people aren't in the least bit that interested. Of those who do take an interest in politics, most, even those who support Unionist parties, are broadly in agreement that the SNP are doing a good job, although they tend to add some rider about being populist and not having taken any difficult decisions so far - you would expect them to say that of course, but there is a grudging admission that the SNP is doing well. FFS, even the Scotsman, which is as unionist as papers get, admits in its editorials that the SNP has done well.

 

The reason that Labour gets a high vote in Inverclyde is because there are so many numpties in the area - "ma grandfaither voted Labour so ah huv tae too," that sort of thing. And to say most Scots do not vote for the SNP ignores the fact that even less voted for any of the other parties - with 4 "main" parties, of course the vote is going to get fragmented and no party is likely to get more than 50%, that's why they made the Holyrood election proportional representation while keeping UK elections on a first past the post basis.

 

England cut us loose? Interesting choice of phrase - are you admitting that we are currently imprisoned in the Union? And how would it f*** us up as a nation? It would make us a proper nation, actually, a route we are now set on anyway even if some people don't realise it yet and some won't admit it. Actually, if that did happen, it would be interesting to see if all the predictions about Scotland being kicked out the EU if she became independent also applied to England. And don't you think there is something wrong if England calls the shots as far as Scotland's future is concerned? No disresect to England, but it's none of their business what we do - it's a matter for Scotland and Scotland alone.

[franco]

Says who?

 

Here read this one its a classic even Wendy dolls husband thinks its time - CLICK

At a glance thru the thread, about 95% of the people on here who have expressed an opinion say that they want independence. The SNP holds 36% of the seats in the Scottish Parly. The highest opinion poll ever on independence had i think 52% for, Not really in the same league as this board's opinion, is it?

[Tom_McB]

Yes or no Tom ?

I think you know the answer to that Col.

 

Yes. For RtB's reasons as well as for economic reasons. The unionist case is lost, particularly now that the SNP is in power and people can see for themselves that the predictions of disaster under an SNP administration were indeed just unionst scaremongering.

 

Hmm, the facts say no, knife crime is on the rise and the SNP's answer is to ban............................

 

wait for it...............................................................

 

 

 

 

 

 

airguns. <_>

 

 

[Guest Robert the Bruce]

At a glance thru the thread, about 95% of the people on here who have expressed an opinion say that they want independence. The SNP holds 36% of the seats in the Scottish Parly. The highest opinion poll ever on independence had i think 52% for, Not really in the same league as this board's opinion, is it?

 

Nope, the percentage on here is obviously higher than the real figure but even if the referendum only got a 52% "AYE" vote, that's still enough. Remember in these polls about 16% said they did not care either way. The issue won't go away but its getting clearer by the day the people of Scotland want to decide the issue not the lying unionist politicians.

 

Look at it this way, we have devolution now there is no going back. So, even if the people only voted for more powers, would you trust the Labour/Libs to use the powers? Would they simply continue to be told what to do from London? The Tories will never get in here so they are out of the equation. Then you are left with a constant SNP Scottish Government to make sure the powers are used for the benefit of Scotland and its people. Like Michael Fry (once a staunch Tory and Unionist) said, that is unworkable so there is only one option, to move on and gain full independence.

 

 

Tory Tom, the more weeks that go by, the more facts you find at the bottom of a whisky bottle. Its still not too late to jump on board the good ship INDEPENDENCE and embrace the winds of change

[Tom_McB]

Tory Tom, the more weeks that go by, the more facts you find at the bottom of a whisky bottle. Its still not too late to jump on board the good ship INDEPENDENCE and embrace the winds of change

You can't embrace a wind Rab.

 

 

 

[franco]

Nope, the percentage on here is obviously higher than the real figure but even if the referendum only got a 52% "AYE" vote, that's still enough. Remember in these polls about 16% said they did not care either way. The issue won't go away but its getting clearer by the day the people of Scotland want to decide the issue not the lying unionist politicians.

 

Look at it this way, we have devolution now there is no going back. So, even if the people only voted for more powers, would you trust the Labour/Libs to use the powers? Would they simply continue to be told what to do from London? The Tories will never get in here so they are out of the equation. Then you are left with a constant SNP Scottish Government to make sure the powers are used for the benefit of Scotland and its people. Like Michael Fry (once a staunch Tory and Unionist) said, that is unworkable so there is only one option, to move on and gain full independence.

Tory Tom, the more weeks that go by, the more facts you find at the bottom of a whisky bottle. Its still not too late to jump on board the good ship INDEPENDENCE and embrace the winds of change

So you agree that this board is way out of step with scotland as a whole, that's good that you can acknowledge fact.

 

Although against independence, if it is the will of the scottish people i would embrace it, but once we got it would the SNP continue to exist? Surely the SNP is a marriage of people of different political persuasions who share the common vision of an independent scotland, and once that was obtained they would go back to representing Labour, tory or whatever. (In fact as far as i can see, Salmond is an out and out Lib Dem). Then, just like the rest of my lifetime scotland, would vote solidly for labour again, so would we be any better off? Then again, is it important to be better off, shouldn't independence be about a sense of nationhood and not personal greed?

[Colkitto]

So you agree that this board is way out of step with scotland as a whole, that's good that you can acknowledge fact.

 

Although against independence, if it is the will of the scottish people i would embrace it, but once we got it would the SNP continue to exist? Surely the SNP is a marriage of people of different political persuasions who share the common vision of an independent scotland, and once that was obtained they would go back to representing Labour, tory or whatever. (In fact as far as i can see, Salmond is an out and out Lib Dem). Then, just like the rest of my lifetime scotland, would vote solidly for labour again, so would we be any better off? Then again, is it important to be better off, shouldn't independence be about a sense of nationhood and not personal greed?

 

 

I think the SNP are now an established political Party. I for one, wouldn't want to see them dis-banded after independence. They can continue, with policies set out in a manifesto, decided by Party members.

 

I agree, independence is about nationhood, too many look at today and not the future. Who knows where Scotland will be in 300 years......hopefully not back in a union with England !

[Cet Homme Charmant]

I thought this poll was the real thing. Nae Frenchies allowed.

I don't live there any more, so gerritrightupye.

[JonaTon]

A quick snapshot seems to suggest that this message board is well out of step with the general feeling towards independence in scotland. I'm astonished at how pro independence this board is given the very recent election results. even more so given greenock's solid, blind support for labour throughout my lifetime and beyond.

 

I don't know if it's well out of step but I agree it is to an extent. I think that's because it's the messageboard for a provincial local football team. The type of people who support their home town team probably do so because they are proud of where they come from. This also translates to being proud of the country they come from and believe it has the ability to run it's own affairs. Obviously these are generalisations (people who don't support Morton can be very proud of where they come from and want independence for example) but it's just my take on it. I think if you went round most non-Old Firm teams messageboards the reaction would be the same.