Donkey Dave Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Or maybe there are nearly one million idiots with the vote. I am sure that there are very much more than 1 million idiots with a vote... A press release confirming this will be released shortly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Edwards Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I am with Woody Allan on this one... Naw, all that results is a rammy and a bad press. I've been there and done it, does no good at all other than temporarily satisfy your own self righteousness, and then the fascists regroup. Now that they've got a political foothold, they have to be defeated by arguments, with their lies countered by facts and their unreason confronted with reason. As I said before though, I doubt if they'll be faced down properly on Question Time; the panel is lacking and it's probably the wrong forum. I'd prefer to see Griffin grilled by the likes of Paxman, regularly; that could be far more effective. Edit to add: In the end, the fascist/racists can only be defeated if their breeding grounds are destroyed. Do that by tackling urban deprivation head-on with investment in policing, housing, job creation, education, social integration and cohesion. But the mainstream parties aren't going to offer any of that, for just now anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Ric Bailey, the BBC’s chief political adviser, said the corporation would have been breaking its charter if it had not treated the BNP with impartiality. The decision to have Mr Griffin on Question Time was based on the party’s success in June’s European elections, at which it won more than 940,000 votes and two seats, he said. “We absolutely stand by that judgment, even though there’s obviously been a lot of controversy about it,†he added. Good grief, and I thought it was just a wee voice crying in the wilderness - maybe all those people are trying to say something! It's fewer than the Greens managed, and only three times more votes and the same number of seats as than the SNP - which, given that they stood in ten of the eleven constituencies while the SNP stood in exactly one - isn't really that impressive. I imagine what the BNP voters were trying to say equates to something like "we are historically illiterate bigots." No wonder you find them so worthy of your sympathy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The greenock guvnor Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 They don't look like fish to me. http://www.kcc.org.nz/pests/possum.asp That would be in reference to the earlier one mans meat is another mans poisson comment. That is why the comment they steal our burds was made to add in with your possum joke. Christ ye lead some folk to the trough but will they drink from it. And yes that is a donkey.Don't want to make an ass of anyone If a writer of prose knows enough of what he is writing about he may omit things that he knows and the reader, if the writer is writing truly enough, will have a feeling of those things as strongly as though the writer had stated them. The dignity of movement of an ice-berg is due to only one-eighth of it being above water. A writer who omits things because he does not know them only makes hollow places in his writing. —Ernest Hemingway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I am sure that there are very much more than 1 million idiots with a vote... It's fewer than the Greens managed, and only three times more votes and the same number of seats as than the SNP - which, given that they stood in ten of the eleven constituencies while the SNP stood in exactly one - isn't really that impressive. I imagine what the BNP voters were trying to say equates to something like "we are historically illiterate bigots." No wonder you find them so worthy of your sympathy! Don't Smeggy - try sticking to facts like the Jag! First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie McArthur Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Naw, all that results is a rammy and a bad press. I've been there and done it, does no good at all other than temporarily satisfy your own self righteousness, and then the fascists regroup. Now that they've got a political foothold, they have to be defeated by arguments, with their lies countered by facts and their unreason confronted with reason. As I said before though, I doubt if they'll be faced down properly on Question Time; the panel is lacking and it's probably the wrong forum. I'd prefer to see Griffin grilled by the likes of Paxman, regularly; that could be far more effective. Edit to add: In the end, the fascist/racists can only be defeated if their breeding grounds are destroyed. Do that by tackling urban deprivation head-on with investment in policing, housing, job creation, education, social integration and cohesion. But the mainstream parties aren't going to offer any of that, for just now anyway. I agree to a point but ultimately with fascists there will have to be violence as there always has been. It's a language they understand. Shame the UK left is in no position to mount a challenge to the BNP. Griffin supports fascists as does the UK left. MARTY OUT!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Edwards Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Griffin supports fascists as does some of the UK left. I have to keep correcting you McArthur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I have to keep correcting you McArthur. I don't fully understand the generic term 'fascist'. It seems to be applied to anybody with whom one disagrees. When one looks at our shining examples (Cyclops and Bawheid) of leadership, one cannot help thinking that there may be a better way! First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Edwards Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I don't fully understand the generic term 'fascist'. It seems to be applied to anybody with whom one disagrees. When one looks at our shining examples (Cyclops and Bawheid) of leadership, one cannot help thinking that there may be a better way! What is a fascist? Disagree with one and you'll find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 What is a fascist? Disagree with one and you'll find out. You appear to suggest that this forum is beleaguered by fascists, Mr E! First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Edwards Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 For any 'floating voters' out there: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/politics...ht-1806874.html Edit to add: I had to laugh at 'Billy The Brit'. He looks like Neil Lennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I see they do actually have one sensible policy - having the Olympics in Greece permanently. Although I suspect that that is not their idea exclusively as I've heard it being suggested since the 1970s. The BBC are very big on impartiality - I trust they will adopt the same attitude to the SNP when they broadcast live debates involving party leaders in the run up to next years' general election. "Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I see they do actually have one sensible policy - having the Olympics in Greece permanently. Although I suspect that that is not their idea exclusively as I've heard it being suggested since the 1970s. The BBC are very big on impartiality - I trust they will adopt the same attitude to the SNP when they broadcast live debates involving party leaders in the run up to next years' general election. Will you never learn? First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdc Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 It's fewer than the Greens managed, and only three times more votes and the same number of seats as than the SNP - which, given that they stood in ten of the eleven constituencies while the SNP stood in exactly one - isn't really that impressive. I imagine what the BNP voters were trying to say equates to something like "we are historically illiterate bigots." No wonder you find them so worthy of your sympathy! Couldn't agree more. What I would add though, the BNP are able to peddle their lies (and, that is precisely what they are - spreading myths that asylum seekers are sleeping in school halls and the like) because the mainstream parties have completely mishandled the immigration debate - in part pandering to the media, and I suspect to the wider public. Interestingly, Alex Salmond has spoken about establishing education rights for children of asylum seekers as the achievement of which he is most proud since the SNP took office. He went on, however, to discuss the lack of attention and even good will shown to the scheme by the media. Immigration has a definite and important place, and they BNP promise to return to an "overwhelmingly whilte majority" should be exposed at every turn, regardless of 949,000 voters who may agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Couldn't agree more. What I would add though, the BNP are able to peddle their lies (and, that is precisely what they are - spreading myths that asylum seekers are sleeping in school halls and the like) because the mainstream parties have completely mishandled the immigration debate - in part pandering to the media, and I suspect to the wider public. Interestingly, Alex Salmond has spoken about establishing education rights for children of asylum seekers as the achievement of which he is most proud since the SNP took office. He went on, however, to discuss the lack of attention and even good will shown to the scheme by the media. Immigration has a definite and important place, and they BNP promise to return to an "overwhelmingly whilte majority" should be exposed at every turn, regardless of 949,000 voters who may agree. :lol: Especially for those whose wages it pays! <_> First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdc Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 :lol: Especially for those whose wages it pays! <_> Yep, of course that includes the opportunity to make a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Yep, of course that includes the opportunity to make a living. Nothing wrong with having a vested interest! First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanny Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 The BNP have as much right to be heard as MJ both are clearly nuts but we still have to let them have their say. Chocolate melts in your hand LSD melts in your mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 The BNP have as much right to be heard as MJ both have lovely nuts but we still have to let them have their say. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Couldn't agree more. What I would add though, the BNP are able to peddle their lies (and, that is precisely what they are - spreading myths that asylum seekers are sleeping in school halls and the like) because the mainstream parties have completely mishandled the immigration debate - in part pandering to the media, and I suspect to the wider public. This is very true. The reactionary elements in the media need to take their share of the blame, just as they must when it comes to the awful state of our prisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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