mortonjag Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 A lot of the people are scared of the rise of Fundamentalist Islam trying to incorporate sharia law and fatwas on people who they happen to disagree with their views. Whether you like it or not many are worried about the amount of illegal immigration happening and the islamification of areas of Britain as a whole. Whether the propaganda of the fear of a black nation(Iraq, Afghanistan,Iran) is the reason for this is debatable but during ressesion a blame culture is formed and someone has to be the brunt of it. Didn't the tories under Howard make this one of the focal points of their last election campaign? The BNP are just an extreme of a theme which is prevalent in many folk who are looking to see a fair and honest government being less tolerant to extremists and a bit more in support of the indigenous folk. The BNP deserve to be on QT without hinderance and protest from the (Facist) Anti Nazi League who wont even give them enough rope to hang themselves. Correct and the dual morality is always with us. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Short answer is I think we need better politicians, with better policies, to slay this monster. *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozehound Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 They are up 5 votes in Inverclyde sadly That link asked me for money. They can get tae f.... An internet fud is still a fud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Edwards Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puggsy_ton Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 That link asked me for money. They can get tae f.... Was fine earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Edwards Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 What's Davie McArthur got to do with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 What's Davie McArthur got to do with this? Baggy troosers? First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 The trouble with the BNP is that mixed in with their fascist/racist policies, which are transparently odious, they will have evolved a few vaguely sensible policies to justify their existence and allow them to pose as a proper political party and give a veneer of respectability to their bigotry. The best way to counter them would seem to me to be to ridicule them at every opportunity. They don't stand up well to humiliation. The fact that Griffin looks like Hitler's love child should facilitate that approach. I can't see the BNP getting any support in Scotland as they are in fact an English nationalist party and would only appeal at best to a small section of the population of Airdrie and Govan. You'd be surprised. Govan has returned a Scottish Nationalist MP to the Westminster parliament twice in times when it wasn't considered the norm to vote for them, and when the rest of Scotland acted like drones who put an "X" next to the Labour candidate through force of habit. Govan also returned the first ever Muslim MP to the Westminster Parliament, albeit aided by gerimandering of the Boundaries Commission who ensured that several districts which were traditionally Govan were given to neighbouring constituencies, thus splitting the SNP vote and destroying the thorn in the side for the Labour Party in Scotland. Govan isn't full of racist neanderthals loyal to the crown as you'd like to portray, in fact i doubt if you've ever been there before yet you wish to make assumptions condemning the place. *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 You'd be surprised. Govan has returned a Scottish Nationalist MP to the Westminster parliament twice in times when it wasn't considered the norm to vote for them, and when the rest of Scotland acted like drones who put an "X" next to the Labour candidate through force of habit. Govan also returned the first ever Muslim MP to the Westminster Parliament, albeit aided by gerimandering of the Boundaries Commission who ensured that several districts which were traditionally Govan were given to neighbouring constituencies, thus splitting the SNP vote and destroying the thorn in the side for the Labour Party in Scotland. Govan isn't full of racist neanderthals loyal to the crown as you'd like to portray, in fact i doubt if you've ever been there before yet you wish to make assumptions condemning the place. Correct, and neither is Erdry! First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Edwards Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 You'd be surprised. Govan has returned a Scottish Nationalist MP to the Westminster parliament twice in times when it wasn't considered the norm to vote for them, and when the rest of Scotland acted like drones who put an "X" next to the Labour candidate through force of habit. Govan also returned the first ever Muslim MP to the Westminster Parliament, albeit aided by gerimandering of the Boundaries Commission who ensured that several districts which were traditionally Govan were given to neighbouring constituencies, thus splitting the SNP vote and destroying the thorn in the side for the Labour Party in Scotland. Govan isn't full of racist neanderthals loyal to the crown as you'd like to portray, in fact i doubt if you've ever been there before yet you wish to make assumptions condemning the place. What? The most noble Mr Sarwar? Never, I don't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 :lol: :lol: The Hamilton Accies are coming after you now, ya mad old fruitcake. *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdc Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 A lot of the people are scared of the rise of Fundamentalist Islam trying to incorporate sharia law and fatwas on people who they happen to disagree with their views. Whether you like it or not many are worried about the amount of illegal immigration happening and the islamification of areas of Britain as a whole. Whether the propaganda of the fear of a black nation(Iraq, Afghanistan,Iran) is the reason for this is debatable but during ressesion a blame culture is formed and someone has to be the brunt of it. Didn't the tories under Howard make this one of the focal points of their last election campaign? The BNP are just an extreme of a theme which is prevalent in many folk who are looking to see a fair and honest government being less tolerant to extremists and a bit more in support of the indigenous folk. The BNP deserve to be on QT without hinderance and protest from the (Facist) Anti Nazi League who wont even give them enough rope to hang themselves. In italics - I completely agree. The BNP should be given every platform possible in my view, because their beliefs and values simply do not stand up to scrutiny. In bold - there's alot here that isn't properly thought through (not necessarily by you, but by the people who hold these fears). For example, the fear of 'fatwa' in general is, more than anything, based on a misunderstanding of what a fatwa actually is. Also, Sharia Law already operates in much of the UK, and does so in a (fairly) unproblematic way - even being recognised as such by one of England's most senior judges. There is of course the issue of religious segregation, but this is as true of Jewish community courts and catholic schools as it is of arbitration based on Sharia Law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 In italics - I completely agree. The BNP should be given every platform possible in my view, because their beliefs and values simply do not stand up to scrutiny. In bold - there's alot here that isn't properly thought through (not necessarily by you, but by the people who hold these fears). For example, the fear of 'fatwa' in general is, more than anything, based on a misunderstanding of what a fatwa actually is. Also, Sharia Law already operates in much of the UK, and does so in a (fairly) unproblematic way - even being recognised as such by one of England's most senior judges. There is of course the issue of religious segregation, but this is as true of Jewish community courts and catholic schools as it is of arbitration based on Sharia Law. Are you a Muslim? First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdc Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Are you a Muslim? Nope. Roman Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Nope. Roman Catholic. Nearly as bad! First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Nearly as bad! explain. *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 explain. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 The BBC must be rubbing there hands with glee giving them maximum publicity and a viewer audience not seen for ages for QT. When mosley took his blackshirts on to the streets in the 30s dont remember it was a political debate that defeated Mosley. Was it not the the public who opposed these views taking active resistance to these blackshirts. Do these guys(POLITICIANS) care about anyone elses point of view anyway. If the answer is No then perhaps the sooner they are defeated the better. Unlike some people I can see clearly now. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The greenock guvnor Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 You may not agree with a lot of peoples politics MJ(Poll Tax,Cash for Questions,Mps expenses etc etc)however there are some extreme beliefs that can become very dangerous indeed.Should we defeat these extreme views by all costs.(Nazi,Fascists,Muslim extremists, Catholic extremists,Black supremists,Hard Line communists, fundamentalists of all religions etc etc) or just sit back and do nothing much at all. If a writer of prose knows enough of what he is writing about he may omit things that he knows and the reader, if the writer is writing truly enough, will have a feeling of those things as strongly as though the writer had stated them. The dignity of movement of an ice-berg is due to only one-eighth of it being above water. A writer who omits things because he does not know them only makes hollow places in his writing. —Ernest Hemingway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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