Guest David Edwards Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 It's not a profession. Don't they refer to themselves as HR Professionals? I'm sure they must have an institute. Is this not them at their AGM: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loveless Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Don't they refer to themselves as HR Professionals? I'm sure they must have an institute. Is this not them at their AGM: Haha! To be honest I don't know. They may call themselves "professionsals" but that's distinct from HR being a profession, which it definitely is not. riverrun, past Eve and Adam’s, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I did go to Greenock Academy. Bent out of shape by society's pliers. Don't bothering googling, DE will tell you. All hail the Acamedical, east end snots who are unlettered should give way to him. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Again, I don't think I even brought this up. I don't know (or care) where you're from, either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Edwards Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Bent out of shape by society's pliers. Don't bothering googling, DE will tell you. All hail the Acamedical, east end snots who are unlettered should give way to him. Ah Ha. Is this you rediscovering your class warrior roots? I think I know you better than that, you never lost them, however deep you tried to bury them in the Mearns. It's alright Tom, it's life and life only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Just to check, Tom: do you intend to respond properly to the following? 1. The second last section in #309 2. The first section of #320 (and the second, I suppose) 3. The second part of post #271 (relating to #150) I just want to know if you're scampering away from the argument or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I just want to know if you're scampering away from the argument or not. It's not an argument, it's a spirited debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Ah Ha. Is this you rediscovering your class warrior roots? I think I know you better than that, you never lost them, however deep you tried to bury them in the Mearns. It's alright Tom, it's life and life only. You can take the boy out of the east end but you can't take the east end out of the boy. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 It's not an argument, it's a spirited debate. Would that it were, people don't throw around words like moron in spirited debates. <_> "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Just to check, Tom: do you intend to respond properly to the following? 1. The second last section in #309 2. The first section of #320 (and the second, I suppose) 3. The second part of post #271 (relating to #150) I just want to know if you're scampering away from the argument or not. With you as the arbiter of what is a proper reply of course, once more Hail to the Nacho. Still, let's have a look at them. Three replies then.............. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Time as we know it is a stipulation that I, not you, added to this discourse. Your earlier post was embarassingly crass and contained not even this tiny caveat. I'm going to paste it again: "If you can answer yes to those two then a God who existed before the big bang, the God of Moses, Jesus et al must be a God for whom time has no meaning in his/her existence. "Without time there then can be no question of who created God. We must have a time frame to set out ideas of who was there before whom." Just let that all sink in for a moment How crass the mind of the credulous is! Because WE need a time frame WE cannot question who created God. This is fair enough. But to then offer this as evidence that God is uncreated because WE don't know it?! Who is the omniscient one here, exactly? How dare you tell the bearded one that because OUR conception of time does not apply to him then no analogue can - or, as I said earlier, the opposite applies? Is there really a question there? Strip out your usual abuse Your earlier post was embarassingly crass and contained not even this tiny caveat. I'm going to paste it again: "If you can answer yes to those two then a God who existed before the big bang, the God of Moses, Jesus et al must be a God for whom time has no meaning in his/her existence. "Without time there then can be no question of who created God. We must have a time frame to set out ideas of who was there before whom." Just let that all sink in for a moment How crass the mind of the credulous is! How crass the mind is, how fine in contrast is the mind of the Academical. Your question, if question there is seems to be " could there not be an analogue of time" which applies outside the space-time continuum? If this is indeed the question please confirm and I will attempt an answer. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Edwards Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 You can take the boy out of the east end but you can't take the east end out of the boy. On and around this topic, Melvin Luvvie Bragg's programme this morning would've interested you. The subject was 'The Physics of Time'. I'm currently laid low by the physics of influenza so I had time to listen but you might want to catch up with it on 'Listen Again'. The luvverly Melvin's panel had the usual nutty professors and the arguments blasted into cyberbabble, considering questions like 'Does Time Exist'. Right up your street McB, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I'm not discussing quantum theory or relativity... I'm discussing your interpretation of bronze age myths to fit around the scientific discourse on these matters. I have said repeatedly that I am fervently in favour of freedom of religious conscience and teaching. I really don't know where you get this idea from that I would have everyone think my way. That's the first two parts of 320 and for the life of me I can't see a question there. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 On and around this topic, Melvin Luvvie Bragg's programme this morning would've interested you. The subject was 'The Physics of Time'. I'm currently laid low by the physics of influenza so I had time to listen but you might want to catch up with it on 'Listen Again'. The luvverly Melvin's panel had the usual nutty professors and the arguments blasted into cyberbabble, considering questions like 'Does Time Exist'. Right up your street McB, don't you think? Excellent, must my lugs round that. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Is there really a question there? Strip out your usual abuse How crass the mind is, how fine in contrast is the mind of the Academical. Your question, if question there is seems to be " could there not be an analogue of time" which applies outside the space-time continuum? If this is indeed the question please confirm and I will attempt an answer. "Because WE need a time frame WE cannot question who created God. This is fair enough. But to then offer this as evidence that God is uncreated because WE don't know it?!" Basically, yes. Because we "know" (insofar as we know anything) that there is not time outwith the universe means that god could not have been subject to a creation timeline as we understand it. But this necessitates our knowing for sure that nothing that could work similarly to our time exists in god's supernatural arena, for example. These are questions that we cannot answer... at least not now (and probably never.) So I could no less offer it up as proof that god WAS created than you can that he was not. The difference is you actually tried to do so And it was absolutely hilarious, and it was the anthropo-centric, crass, solipsistic, horrible, credulous religion rubbish shown for what it is "I'm not discussing quantum theory or relativity... I'm discussing your interpretation of bronze age myths to fit around the scientific discourse on these matters. I have said repeatedly that I am fervently in favour of freedom of religious conscience and teaching. I really don't know where you get this idea from that I would have everyone think my way." Do I need to put everything in question form before you'll give it a response? This is especially puzzling given that you've devoted so much time to my statement, "you are unlettered." It's almost like you stuck a question mark on the end of it for your own convenience... But to help you out: 1) I'm not discussing quantum theory or relativity... I'm discussing your interpretation of bronze age myths to fit around the scientific discourse on these matters. Can you expand on this? 2) I have said repeatedly that I am fervently in favour of freedom of religious conscience and teaching. I really don't know where you get this idea from that I would have everyone think my way. From where did you get this idea? With you as the arbiter of what is a proper reply of course, once more Hail to the Nacho. Well, I am dealing with the arbiter of what is the proper question, after all. Were you safe to drive this morning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 "Because WE need a time frame WE cannot question who created God. This is fair enough. But to then offer this as evidence that God is uncreated because WE don't know it?!" Basically, yes. Because we "know" (insofar as we know anything) that there is not time outwith the universe means that god could not have been subject to a creation timeline as we understand it. But this necessitates our knowing for sure that nothing that could work similarly to our time exists in god's supernatural arena, for example. These are questions that we cannot answer... at least not now (and probably never.) So I could no less offer it up as proof that god WAS created than you can that he was not. The difference is you actually tried to do so And it was absolutely hilarious, and it was the anthropo-centric, crass, solipsistic, horrible, credulous religion rubbish shown for what it is OH DEAR, OH DEAR, read my posts again I'll state my answer again Which feeds back into the question of the creation of God. A being that exists outside of space time is so outwith the scope of our understanding that our conception of existing/not existing a a point in time cannot be applied. Which part of "Outwith the scope of our understanding" is proving difficult? I offered it not as proof that God was not created, rather as proof the the question was meaningless- hence"our conception of existing/not existing a a point in time cannot be applied". "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Well, I am dealing with the arbiter of what is the proper question, after all. Were you safe to drive this morning? Ah yes, since Victorian times the West end chaps always felt that the lesser orders from the East were soused with drink. Plus ca change..................... <_> "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 1) I'm not discussing quantum theory or relativity... I'm discussing your interpretation of bronze age myths to fit around the scientific discourse on these matters. Can you expand on this? Remember what I said, see a priest or Rabbi. Do I try to Interpret the whole Bible in terms of known phenomena? Nope. I only mentioned Genesis 1 to show that the question, who created God was meaningless. Re-read what I said about much of the OT, simple stories for pastoralists. 2) I have said repeatedly that I am fervently in favour of freedom of religious conscience and teaching. I really don't know where you get this idea from that I would have everyone think my way. From where did you get this idea? Oh probably because you favoured a centralised monolithic educational structure dealing in content which you approve of and allowing no parental choice. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhubarb Mess Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 The year is 2745 AD and the debate over God continues to rage on the Greenockmorton.org forum. It has now reached a Guiness Record of 14,998 pages with no conclusion anticipated anytime soon. We are a MEAN diddy team!!! SITTING ON THE FENCE!!! m1874 Blog<<<..V..>>>Ernies Blog GMST make your own mind up. "Hey!!! That tea leaf half-inched me wallet" Yours Roobs, AKA, Harry's Orville Duck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 The year is 2745 AD and the debate over God continues to rage on the Greenockmorton.org forum. It has now reached a Guiness Record of 14,998 pages with no conclusion anticipated anytime soon. ...and the Tilly reports the finding of a fossilised humanoid form under a pile of fossilised books. Protruding from its mouth is a fossilised slice roll covered in fossilised slevers.. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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