Arrogance Of The Highest Order.

[Tonosaurus]

Its the left wing tendancy to see everyone who is running a company as a thieving barsteward. Quotes to the effect of 'Believe me, Dougie's only doing this for some financial gain/to save tax/to rip off the fans' is straight out of the SSP handbook. Its right up there with 'Tax the stinking rich!!'

 

Now, Dougie might be supporting Morton to massage his own ego and I can't argue with those who might think that. I prefer to think that he did what he did because he is a Morton supporter through and through and could afford it. He is certainly not doing it for financial gain and it annoys the f**k out of me when people ignorant of corporate finances try make some sort of argument that he is. Making money from Morton at the present time in the present circumstances is virtually impossible.

 

And if he wants us to play in purple leotards, thats OK by me!!

 

Good points!

[big B]

I have one question what would you do if Mr Rae pulled the plug on Morton tomorrow. If he read some of the comments on here who could blame him.

[Tonosaurus]

To be fair, it is an ungrateful, what I believe to be ignorant and stirring it, minority!

[Rhubarb Mess]

If people acted upon comments made on here we would have no manager, no players, no fans.

I'm sure they are thicked skinned enough to be able to take what has been said, they wouldn't be where they are today otherwise.

[arklesTON]

As the annual accounts are published, most folk know that Morton is subsidised by the other companies in the Golden Casket Group. Most folk also know who owns that Group.

 

 

This old chesnut again.

 

[arklesTON]

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At the end of the day Mr Rae put the money up to save the club when nobody else was waiting in the wings to so EVERY MORTON FAN SHOULD BE GRATEFUL. Okay we might not like some of the things that happen at the club but at least we still have a club to to go and watch.

 

another one of the spoonfed.

 

[arklesTON]

Most interesting topic on this board for ages even although some of it is not true. For example this statement above is untrue. It was in fact McGraw who asked the Prof to pull togther all the interested parties who were talking about buying the club to see if they could work together to come up with a rescue package.

He did not go in the huff because it failed. He had a personal disagreement with Rae, which exist to this day, which goes way back even before Scott took over and that's why he has never set foot in Cappielow since Rae took over. Does he go to Ibrox? Of course he does as he's a Govan boy born and bread. But let anyone on this board have no doubt that McGraw has a love for this club equal to that of you an I and still takes a great interest in what goes on at Cappielow.

 

 

Alan McGraw has been back at cappielow quite a few times since DDFR took control of the club. He sat in the main stand in front of me at the Scottish Cup game against Vale of Leithen a few years back, and ive seen him there since that time.

 

 

[Guest midTONs]

Alan McGraw has been back at cappielow quite a few times since DDFR took control of the club. He sat in the main stand in front of me at the Scottish Cup game against Vale of Leithen a few years back, and ive seen him there since that time.

 

Mr McGraw makes no secret of his feud with the present owner on GMFC and although he says he we have been saved he does not feel welcome at Cappielow no more, in my opinion Mr McGraw is being a tad childish.

 

[arklesTON]

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I have one question what would you do if Mr Rae pulled the plug on Morton tomorrow. If he read some of the comments on here who could blame him.

 

 

To be fair, it is an ungrateful, what I believe to be ignorant and stirring it, minority!

 

 

If we all thought like you two we would still have Hugh Scott in charge, or may not have had a club at all. It is those that actually voiced concerns and didnt buy into everything that previous incumbents spoonfed the masses that led to the club being saved.

 

Morton is healthy with or without the Rae family at the moment, the company accounts will only tell the story that they want you to believe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ps. Barbarossa - Rae, a drop of golden ****.

[TonFan]

Fair enough Mr D. Rae 'saved the club' But everything he does makes me cringe!!! The guy is an attention seeking whore!

 

 

Edit to add: This may seem like a personal attack, well it probably is, but I just don't trust the guy.

[Tonsilitis]

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I have one question what would you do if Mr Rae pulled the plug on Morton tomorrow. If he read some of the comments on here who could blame him.

If we all thought like you two we would still have Hugh Scott in charge, or may not have had a club at all. It is those that actually voiced concerns and didnt buy into everything that previous incumbents spoonfed the masses that led to the club being saved.

 

Morton is healthy with or without the Rae family at the moment, the company accounts will only tell the story that they want you to believe.

Ps. Barbarossa - Rae, a drop of golden ****.

 

I am sorry, but you are the one with the blinkers on here. Morton are not in a healthy state financially and rely totally on the support of Golden Casket. If they were to survive on a standalone basis we would only be able to afford players at junior wage levels.

 

Hugh Scott was a different proposition from Douglas Rae altogether. He basically set out to plunder what he could from Morton. Players wages did not get paid. The ground turned into a wreck. He wanted to sell Cappielow for development and threatened to kill Morton. Trying to put Douglas Rae in the same category as Hugh Scott is stupid and fatuous.

 

As for being spoonfed, spoonfed what exactly? I've seen Morton's accounts, I was involved with the good prof at the time of the Admin order and I have the background in accountancy and insolvency to understand what I am seeing. What is the source of your information? Is it solid or is it that you just don't like successful people?

[TAFKAC]

I am sorry, but you are the one with the blinkers on here. Morton are not in a healthy state financially and rely totally on the support of Golden Casket. If they were to survive on a standalone basis we would only be able to afford players at junior wage levels.

 

Hugh Scott was a different proposition from Douglas Rae altogether. He basically set out to plunder what he could from Morton. Players wages did not get paid. The ground turned into a wreck. He wanted to sell Cappielow for development and threatened to kill Morton. Trying to put Douglas Rae in the same category as Hugh Scott is stupid and fatuous.

 

As for being spoonfed, spoonfed what exactly? I've seen Morton's accounts, I was involved with the good prof at the time of the Admin order and I have the background in accountancy and insolvency to understand what I am seeing. What is the source of your information? Is it solid or is it that you just don't like successful people?

Stop waving your qualifications about like a willy. I'm a qualified internal auditor, but I'm more embarrassed by that than anything. Doesn't make me as qualified as you to discuss accountancy matters but nor does it give you the right to describe everyone who disagrees with you as an ignorant socialist. I thought it was the left that saw everything as a conspiracy, not the new right. But I'm willing to learn.

What you've said is interesting and has added to my understanding of the situation. But as you've said he makes a 30% saving on the tax bill by putting the money into Morton, therefore I'm partially, if not wholly, right in my assertion.

I have no problem with successful people who can cope with their success.

[Guest midTONs]

The one thing that this thread has highlighted for me anyway if it had not already been known is that some people on here see no evil - hear no evil where Morton is concerned, yes most are all passionate with their support and will back the players when they are on the park, that's great but it seems to me that that certain people, the same ones nearly always may I had are in denial that anything is or could be wrong at Cappielow.

[big B]

The one thing that this thread has highlighted for me anyway if it had not already been known is that some people on here see no evil - hear no evil where Morton is concerned, yes most are all passionate with their support and will back the players when they are on the park, that's great but it seems to me that that certain people, the same ones nearly always may I had are in denial that anything is or could be wrong at Cappielow.

Put up exactly what is happening at Cappielow or shut up.

[Rhubarb Mess]

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Put up exactly what is happening at Cappielow or shut up.

 

 

Your good at telling people to shut up.

Public forum, people can write what they want regardless of what you say.

[Guest midTONs]

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Put up exactly what is happening at Cappielow or shut up.

 

 

where did I say anything was happening? the point I was making was some just cannot accept people critizing the club in any way shape or form, now wither they are right or wrong in what they are saying I didn't touch on so what is point your trying to make to me?

[big B]

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Put up exactly what is happening at Cappielow or shut up.

Your good at telling people to shut up.

Public forum, people can write what they want regardless of what you say.

That's fair enough what I have read people are just going around the edges of what they seem to know what is going on. LET THEM HAVE THE BALLS TO PUBLICLY COME ON THIS FORUM TELL US WHAT IS EXACTLY GOING ON AND HOW THEY KNOW.

Or will be a case I will just spout a load of nonsence to get a discussion going.

[Rhubarb Mess]

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Or will be a case I will just spout a load of nonsence to get a discussion going.

 

You never know.

 

[Tonsilitis]

Stop waving your qualifications about like a willy. I'm a qualified internal auditor, but I'm more embarrassed by that than anything. Doesn't make me as qualified as you to discuss accountancy matters but nor does it give you the right to describe everyone who disagrees with you as an ignorant socialist. I thought it was the left that saw everything as a conspiracy, not the new right. But I'm willing to learn.

What you've said is interesting and has added to my understanding of the situation. But as you've said he makes a 30% saving on the tax bill by putting the money into Morton, therefore I'm partially, if not wholly, right in my assertion.

I have no problem with successful people who can cope with their success.

 

I merely pointed out that I can read accounts and know about insolvency in order to give some credence to what I was saying. I would not normally mention this but it seemed appropriate in the context of this thread, where others appear to state facts which simply cannot be true.

 

The point is, people keep going on about how we are all being taken in by what is going on at Cappielow and misquoting financial facts. Can any one of the guys who are trying to convince that there is some sinister master plan or conspiracy going on at Cappielow please enlighten the rest of us. What exactly is it that you think is going on? So far I have'nt seen one fact which stands scrutiny other than the relatively minor issues such as the website, vertical stripes as opposed to hoops and lack of new signings. These are surely not evidence of some underlying conspiracy?

 

With regard to the tax relief thing, put simply, Morton's losses can be set against Golden Casket's profits. Of the reduced profit, the government pays 30% and Golden Casket have to bear the rest. They would be better off financially without Morton.

 

And incidentally, the left wing people are as you say the traditional home of the conspiracy theory so is it strange that I tend to think that those who spout such lines probably have leftish tendancies?

[lazy_ar*e_student]

I think this argument about if it wasnt for Mr Rae, Morton wouldn't be here, has to be a two way street. If it wasnt for ton fans there would be no Morton as well.