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Toby

Member Since 21 Jul 2005
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In Topic: Poor wee Rangers

Today, 09:40 AM

I think we had a discussion about this a few years ago. The words are actually "F YOUR pope and F YOUR queen", which makes a significant (possibly too subtle for some) difference to the sentiments expressed. They are using the pope and the queen as proxies for Celtic and Rangers. It's an anti-OF song, not a pro-sectarian one. I know you and I disagree on this one (and Toby also disagrees with me), but although I dislike Partick Thistle for a number of reasons, I don't think sectarianism is something that you can attribute to them, particularly as they seem to be attacking both sides of the sectarian divide.


It’s a case of two wrongs not making a right, though. And it’s incredible that they don’t get brought to task in it when others do.

Whilst we’re at it, it would be remiss of us not to mention the “sad orange bastard” chant that Rob McLean had to apologise for on Friday night.

None of us are stupid enough to think that there aren’t folk with that sort of mindset in our support, but fucking hell that was downright embarrassing. It was at least a fairly small section of wallopers but terrible nonetheless.

I’ve heard plenty of commentators apologising for choice language when doing Scottish football matches but never, even when Rangers or Celtic have been playing, for sectarian chanting- until doing a Morton game. Just let that sink in.

In Topic: Thread About Ex Player

19 August 2019 - 08:30 PM

Barry Smith’s been bagged by Brechin.

In Topic: Hibs v Morton

18 August 2019 - 08:54 AM

I don't get the thing about the Fourth Official being appointed at the last minute. Did he replace another official? Or had the SPFL planned to go without one?

 

There are Fourth Officials for every Premiership game and the TV games in the lower leagues. I'd have thought it would be a given that every last sixteen game in the League Cup and the Scottish Cup would have one.


In Topic: Season Tickets

17 August 2019 - 11:53 PM

I don't particularly disagree tbh (although I struggle to really care about him too much), but i don't think it's unreasonable (or being overly defensive) acknowledging that there was the seeds of some good stuff. Again, there's a difference between saying and doing, especially when one of the things you do is buy daft turnstiles, but I think the point that he could be a good consultant is a fair enough one.

Again, I'm not at all defending his record when it came to actually doing the job. There's not really any credible defence there, and as you say he came to symbolise the disconnect between club and fans which McKinnon has acknowledged. I also thought it was revealing when Hopkin said that with the new regime, he felt the time was right to take the job. Hard not to read that as him saying he didn't want to work with Hawke.

 

My main point is to counter your apparent view that he couldn't do right for doing wrong in they eyes of the support though. Hawke's actions directly resulted in us hating him, nothing else. Nobody's saying there weren't things he did well- it would take a monumental fuck up of Craig Whyte proportions to do nothing right. But come on, he was a failure in the position, there's no escaping from it. And his relationship with people, be it his internal or external customers, was his major downfall. Had he not been such a complete prick, he, and Morton, would've been far better off. Hell mend him.


In Topic: Season Tickets

17 August 2019 - 11:10 PM

I've little desire to defend Hawke here, but I do think that at times people's personal dislike of Hawke taints their judgement a wee bit. Again, I don't think he done a good job at all but initially he seemed like he had some good ideas (in some areas anyway), but in practise all we got was fuck up after fuck up. There's room for a bit more nuance in any discussion about him though, rather than just dismissing everything as a disaster.

 

There's the odd mouth breather on here, but they're few and far between. I'd like to think that most folks' disdain for Hawke is a direct result of his utter contempt for his paying customers. Let's not kid ourselves, the guy was a wanker who went out his way to antagonise us in order to keep himself in a job, and ultimately that was a contributing factor to him being emptied.

 

Let's be honest here, Hawke was a prick and getting him to fuck ranks alongside swapping Andy Barrowman for Ross Forbes and pumping the beggars in their own rancid bin as great Morton victories of this decade.