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#1126239 Season Tickets

Posted by Toby on 17 August 2019 - 11:53 PM

I don't particularly disagree tbh (although I struggle to really care about him too much), but i don't think it's unreasonable (or being overly defensive) acknowledging that there was the seeds of some good stuff. Again, there's a difference between saying and doing, especially when one of the things you do is buy daft turnstiles, but I think the point that he could be a good consultant is a fair enough one.

Again, I'm not at all defending his record when it came to actually doing the job. There's not really any credible defence there, and as you say he came to symbolise the disconnect between club and fans which McKinnon has acknowledged. I also thought it was revealing when Hopkin said that with the new regime, he felt the time was right to take the job. Hard not to read that as him saying he didn't want to work with Hawke.


My main point is to counter your apparent view that he couldn't do right for doing wrong in they eyes of the support though. Hawke's actions directly resulted in us hating him, nothing else. Nobody's saying there weren't things he did well- it would take a monumental fuck up of Craig Whyte proportions to do nothing right. But come on, he was a failure in the position, there's no escaping from it. And his relationship with people, be it his internal or external customers, was his major downfall. Had he not been such a complete prick, he, and Morton, would've been far better off. Hell mend him.

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#1126227 Season Tickets

Posted by Toby on 17 August 2019 - 11:10 PM

I've little desire to defend Hawke here, but I do think that at times people's personal dislike of Hawke taints their judgement a wee bit. Again, I don't think he done a good job at all but initially he seemed like he had some good ideas (in some areas anyway), but in practise all we got was fuck up after fuck up. There's room for a bit more nuance in any discussion about him though, rather than just dismissing everything as a disaster.


There's the odd mouth breather on here, but they're few and far between. I'd like to think that most folks' disdain for Hawke is a direct result of his utter contempt for his paying customers. Let's not kid ourselves, the guy was a wanker who went out his way to antagonise us in order to keep himself in a job, and ultimately that was a contributing factor to him being emptied.


Let's be honest here, Hawke was a prick and getting him to fuck ranks alongside swapping Andy Barrowman for Ross Forbes and pumping the beggars in their own rancid bin as great Morton victories of this decade.

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#1126079 The Tunnock's Caramel Wafer Challenge Cup 19/20

Posted by Toby on 16 August 2019 - 01:32 PM

My sources tell me EanieMeany goes for a piss and still pulls his trousers and pants right down to his ankles at the urinals. Sad!

None of this is very special, though. There used to be a guy who posted on here who wiped and alcoholic tramp’s arse and did the Keystore run for his fags and Thunderbird in the hope of bagging a holiday to Salou which never materialised.
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#1125581 Morton Q+A at The Beacon

Posted by Toby on 09 August 2019 - 07:46 PM

Expecting them to ease their support for Morton down gradually and not dramatically isn't too much to expect. Especially not when there doesn't appear to be any trouble with their other wealth sources


Except that in this instance, "they" is actually the singular, Crawford. His siblings aren't interested and aren't allowing the clubs' losses to impact on their dividends, leaving him to pick up the pieces.


He simply doesn't have the authority to write cheques to dig us out of a hole that his dad had. Like it or not, his death was the game changer. Of course this scenario should've been planned for, especially with his dad's advancing years and deteriorating health, but this is where we are.


I'm not sure how many siblings Crawford has, two or three perhaps, but do you reasonably expect the club to be run on a similar basis with a third or a quarter of the  money that was previously available to support it?


Such an attitude of entitlement amongst the support was one of the contributing factors in sending the club you used to support six foot under.


Look, I agree with you that they should be going etc. I meant sympathy with the definition I outline which, personally, I think is quite obvious.

Perhaps I am being blinded by my dislike for people who hoarde wealth and live off their daddy's legacy. Don't think that's unreasonable


He was born into a rich family. As far as I'm aware he's worked for his family business for all his adult life. I don't think that's unreasonable. Were I a successful businessman with any offspring, I'd like to think my kids would work for me before taking the reigns when I'm not fit enough to.


There's a difference between living off your parents' wealth and contributing to their success. You probably know all this anyway, but let's not let it get in the way of your howling to the moon.

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#1125493 Statement About Tele Front Page

Posted by Toby on 08 August 2019 - 06:35 PM

Astonished to see 9SBC making an appearance on here as soon as there’s an opportunity to stick the boot into the club.
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#1125359 Championship 19/20

Posted by Toby on 06 August 2019 - 06:16 PM

They won £161 million and he’s since divorced the wife, who’ll have taken a massive cut of that. He’s obviously still worth an awful lot of money, but it’s nowhere near £400 million.
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#1125279 Smell my cheese you mother!

Posted by Toby on 05 August 2019 - 03:57 PM

I must have missed that one, what's happened there :lol:?

She had a pal through the Rangers games that got a man, making her jealous. As a result she created a double life for herself by photoshopping herself into pictures with some poor sod who’s picture she picked at random and made their lives a misery with a string of false allegations. Eventually she got charged with stalking her pal and her new man.

When she met the new boyfriend, they played their lives out on social media and in the red tops, kidding on they had a champagne lifestyle whilst also giving it big licks about Rangers. Unfortunately I chose not to follow his Twitter, which was protected after the court case, but I suspect when she gets out they’ll go back to how they were before, which should be a good laugh.

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#1125277 Smell my cheese you mother!

Posted by Toby on 05 August 2019 - 03:24 PM

I missed out mad Jill the stalker that got a year in Cornton Vale the other week and her weirdo boyfriend from my rogues’ gallery there.

They can’t go without a mention.
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#1125267 Smell my cheese you mother!

Posted by Toby on 05 August 2019 - 01:45 PM

He has turned into a bit of a cult figure in the Morton support, but we’ve won a watch with this one.

Every team seems to have their “viral” fan these days with the explosion of social media, but I’d much rather have him as ours than someone like Gordon Sawers, Paul the Tim, EDL Abdul, Manpreet or Jay Beatty and his sponging da’.
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#1124983 Very proud today

Posted by Toby on 01 August 2019 - 09:48 AM

Ahh, Matt McIntosh. Sunshine Tours operator and football fan extraordinaire :lol:

Ach, I’m thinking of another one- forgot all about Matt. Must owe him a fortune for all the seats I booked on his bus to Stranraer in 2015.
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#1124564 Davie McKinnon.. New Chief Executive?

Posted by Toby on 26 July 2019 - 03:40 PM

I think this is something the club need to be vary of. Although he isn't held in as high esteem by Rangers* fans as Johansson is, I don't want to see MacKinnon talking about Rangers and Davie Cooper at every opportunity.

Other than that, I thought he spoke well about Morton and raising standards.


Given the context of the interview, I don't think the Rangers stuff was too much- he discussed the likes of Alan Ball and Pat Rice as much as he did Davie Cooper for example. It was an all encompassing interview that covered his career as a whole and gave plenty of time to his ambitions for Morton.


The media are often justifiably criticised for fawning over former Rangers or Celtic bit-part players' tenuous links to either club, but in this case, his time at all his clubs was covered relatively fairly.


I'm sure you'll not agree with this but I think Hawke done a decent job up until a point.

He's started off the youth academy, community trust, got a bit more structure off the park, started doing bits and pieces around the stadium (hospitality changes, cosmetic changes, pie stalls, etc) and highlighted we can't keep spending what we can't afford.

The problem (apart from him not getting on with fans and being a bit salesman like with promises) was that he never actually saw a lot of it through to completion so hopefully McKinnon can do that.

To put it into a bit more context, McKinnon has taken the hospitality plans and made them happen rather than talking about them and hoping for praise.

For me, Hawke would have been better as a consultant like he was at first where he'd come up with ideas and some strategy and leave it to others to actually run with.

I know people will have different options and try to deride the point about the examples I've gave (the pie stall is a good choice for that) but basically I think he had good ideas but wasn't the person to follow through with them (see turnstiles for a perfect example of that).

And probably the quicker answer to your question is that he seems more personable than Hawke and a lot more positive so for the face of the club, it is better.

Looking forward to seeing how everything pans out.


On your point about not getting along with the fans, something you haven't noted is his relationship with the staff at Cappielow, specifically the non-playing staff. We've heard whispers that his relationship with Raymond was one of the catalysts for his departure, and I'd be interested to see the turnover of non-playing staff throughout Hawke's tenure. Of course the departures of Johansson and Houston were welcome developments, but were poorly handled by the club, and on a day that Hawke was "off sick". He also managed to take a holiday that coincided with the club's AGM in April 2018.


That lack of leadership and ability to take responsibility is Hawke's legacy for me. When the shit hit that fan he was nowhere to be seen. An absolute chancer.


On another note, I've heard from two different people, both strangers who are employed by Browning's Bakers, that we'll be using them for our catering for next season. The first was a guy I met in Brussels at the Scotlnd game and the second a guy I was talking to in a pub in Glasgow before heading to Annan the other day. They, of course are well renowned for producing the original Killie Pie, so that can only be seen as a positive for McKinnon.


Hawke was and probably still is a gormless moron. These are the facts.

A total self preservationist whom i can only presume charmed many, including yourself, into believing he was a credible CEO.

He drove a wedge between the fans even more so than already existed.


Whilst I did say I was impressed by him approaching folk at the game the other night, one thing I'm not sure about is his knowledge of just how ingrained the mistrust and cynicism towards the club is amongst the support, and maybe neither are all of us.


I remember reading Jim McInally saying en-route to winning the league in 2007 that he wanted to rid that from the club, but to be honest I don't think we ever have got rid of it. It's been there since the collapse of 2004 and will take an awful lot of work to finally get rid of it.


When he said the other week that he felt the support had been won back I couldn't help but think that he didn't have a clue about the bigger picture there. He's made an encouraging start, and certainly appears to be a massive upgrade on that tit Hawke, but winning the unequivocal trust of the support is a job that will take years- it's not something that'll be done over a summer. Perhaps he feels that by being a lot more honest than Hawke will do that, but Hawke was only one of many people down the years who have let the club and fans down. Best of luck to him in doing that, though.

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#1124460 Annan v The Famous

Posted by Toby on 24 July 2019 - 11:54 AM

One point I haven’t seen mentioned- it was good to see Dave McKinnon cutting about and making a point of introducing himself to the fans.

After the two arseholes that have preceded him in the role, it’s nice to see a bit of customer engagement from the top of the club.
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#1124052 Who Is The Biggest Arsehole In Scottish Football?

Posted by Toby on 19 July 2019 - 10:36 AM

With seven candidates sitting on four votes, the cull has been pretty big, leaving us a mere fourteen finalists, all of whom, I'm sure you'll agree have their own credible case to land this coveted title.


So, as with the format of last year's poll, I'll reduce the candidates gradually- to seven, four and then the final two this time.


You only get one vote from here on in, my own prediction is that we'll see a posthumous award.


May the best man win.

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#1123839 Thread About Ex Player

Posted by Toby on 16 July 2019 - 03:19 PM


Me. I fucking hate them and will be avidly looking out for them to fail just as miserably this season as they did last. It looks like I’m not alone. Deal with it.
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#1123723 General Football - Weird Results And Other Things Worth Sharing

Posted by Toby on 14 July 2019 - 11:12 AM

Not really into this “superior knowledge of a situation” being applied to shoot down my petty agendas tbh.
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