Greacen2000

Great idea - I wouldn't imagine it would cost much to get some patches/transfers printed & keep a stock of them at Smiths & Cappielow to hand out to anyone who has already bought a shirt and wants to iron it on over the top of the Dalrada logo.

Great update addressing many of the questions that have been getting asked recently. Hopefully this will satisfy some of the people who had been holding back on contributing to the FF until these were answered. Also good to see that the cost cutting measures combined with money raised so far seems to have bought us an extra couple of months before we will run out of money. Hopefully some of the discussions currently taking place will come to fruition by then (or we will be relying on reaching the 4th round of the Scottish cup and get drawn away to one of the big teams again) All the better that we have managed to add numbers to the squad while reducing the wage bill. I know the lads we have brought in are rookies, but with an experienced backbone of guys like Longridge, Gillespie, Shug & MOH in the squad then maybe we can get away with it.

Sorry to see Kris go but probably best for all concerned - it gets someone off the wage bill who we hadn’t budgeted to be paying for, and we are replacing him with someone who is coming to is at presumably low/no cost. Also frees up the flat which can be used as digs for the loanees we are bringing in.

That would make sense. It’s a shame it hasn’t worked out for Moore as he looked very promising when he first came in.

Delusions aren’t usually prefaced with words like “if”, “maybe & “perhaps” but ok knock yourself out and file it wherever you like

Yip this crossed my mind too. Maybe they need us more than we need them. Bringing a senior professional club on board would raise their profile quite a bit and could open opportunities for discussions with other clubs. Perhaps they have realised this and are coming back to us with their tail between their legs. If so then I hope we take some new terms of our own to the table too

Major butthurt energy from AR in there along with some absolutely wild takes - spending the entire interview doubling down on Xanders statement despite claiming not to represent EFG - calling out MCT for sharing the draft agreement without EFG approval and calling them “cowards” for sharing the advice of our legal counsel with members in the same breath as blaming MCT for not giving members enough info to make an informed vote. (Let’s also not forget about the numerous times EFG have released information ahead of the agreed timelines; not least their suspiciously timed initial statement on the night the deal was first mentioned to members) - Accusing MCT of starting a disinformation campaign to try and undermine the deal - reiterating Xanders comments regarding Moyes & new players being essential for survival while failing to address the fact that we already have a hole in our budget which EFG money isn’t enough to cover, never mind the additional said costs - criticising GMFC for not being open to getting assistance from Moyes & Cristiano Piccini as they saw EFG involvement in running the club prior to deal approval as “premature”. Strange then that when EFG are so committed to partnership & collaboration that they offered such unfavourable terms when approached for a short term loan - hardly exemplifies the spirit of collaboration. The fact EFG took their ball and ran away as soon as they didn’t get what they wanted also suggests the club were maybe right to be cautious about jumping the gun in getting EFG involved in the running for the club. - suggests that the fighting fund is being used to pay legal fees “for the deal that the same people caused to fail”. I thought that the sum of money & where it was coming from was made pretty clear at the agm? He also said that waiting for administration before doing a fundraiser would be a better approach - claims that members of mct & club leadership & the wider support were reluctant to proceed with the deal due to being overly cautious. From my POV most people were in favour of the deal - the turning point was when the terms were reduced & Xanders statement was read out. Had these 2 things not happened I expect the deal would have been rubber stamped by now. For what it’s worth I believe Alistair when he says he only wants the best for the club. Unfortunately I think he has allowed his judgement to be clouded by his seemingly blind faith in the EFG offering along with the axe he clearly has to grind with MCT & GMFC leadership. Finally - props to Craig Fowler - I’m not a big fan of the guys content but on this occasion he at least did a decent job of cross examining AR on some of his claims. Sure he could have pressed a bit harder on a few points but overall I thought he did a good job so credit where it’s due

You really are having a nightmare here. My last reply (and this one) have fk all to do with the previous discussion I “tapped out of”. Once again you have managed to reply to a post while failing to address the points raised therein. Well done

Are you sure about that? I am not not going to waste my time doing this, but if you were to take an average word count of posts on this thread I am certain yours will be WAY above anyone else’s, mine included. One of the main reasons I have “tapped out” is precisely because you continue responding to simple questions with incoherent rants without addressing any of the points raised. Say what you like about my “boreathon” posts but brevity certainly isn’t your strong point either, champ

I think a portion of it was for shirt sponsorship, but a significant amount was to cover the extensions of contract for certain players. The way it was described to me was that if we extended those players, it would be covered by Dalrada but if we didn’t then the money wouldn’t be available to spend elsewhere. Unfortunately extending them along with Dalrada failing to pay means that their wages are now coming out of what little other budget we had.

I don’t think players would have a basis to terminate their contracts until we fail to pay them (at which point we would be going into points deduction territory). Of course mutually agreed termination could be a possibility if it lets the player pursue opportunities elsewhere and gets a high earner off our wage bill. I assume Brophy is one of our highest earners so it would be good business for us if we could offload him at no cost. Unfortunately with his injury record I don’t see him having a lot of alternatives to choose from.

“reality” only in your own mind. It would have taken a few minutes to make your feelings known, but you didn’t. That’s the reality. I was talking about the disclosure of the soft loans arrangement Instead of answering the fairly simple questions I’ve asked, you’ve spewed out more meandering diatribe. I don’t have any desire to keep this going any longer, but will say once again. I believe that now is absolutely the right time to be trying to raise funds if we are due to run out of money in October - regardless of how we got here & how much faith you may or may not have in club & MCT leadership. You disagree with me - good for you

Totally agree with Dunning - it’s important we don’t do anything to undermine the goodwill that we have seen towards the club in the past week, so any incoming signings need to be announced with transparency around how they are being financed. i wonder if there might be another “Alan Mcmenemy” type arrangement with local businessmen funding a signing?

I don’t think another “point of order” was needed - you are the one who wants shot of Barr, not me. I am just highlighting that your excuse of “there not being enough time” is flaky at best. The fact is that without action, your vacuous whining about Barr is embarrassing. I don't think it was the league cup results that led to this change - I see it more as a combination of the Dalrada situation in addition to the EFG deal going tits up. The statement in May was absolutely needed after an unacceptable season to acknowledge that it wasn't good enough, and was welcomed by most. I am not sure of quite how bad the default situation was at that point, but how exactly would that have changed the message anyway? "we acknowledge that this season was unacceptable and will try to do better but we might not be able to because Dalrada are behind on their payments so we might not have enough money to pay the players"??? If the club believed at the time that Dalrada were going to make good on their commitment, such a statement might have been seen as "jumping the gun", and would likely have had the dual fallout of pissing off our partner & demoralizing the support. Do you think that our current financial situation means that the club should have supported the EFG deal irrespective of the unfavourable terms? Surely if there were concerns about the conditions attached, a failure to disclose them would have raised legitimate questions about “transparency”. We need only look up the road to Govan to see the sort of long term problems that can be caused when financially distressed clubs accept money with too many strings attached. It was actually EFGs statement that triggered this disclosure. Do you think that the club should issue a statement or send a communication to MCT members every time they use a short term loan to bridge cash flow? The term “fan owned not fan run” comes to mind. With the kind of model we have there is always going to be a cut off for where run-the-business decisions crosses into major stuff that needs communicated to & approved by the membership. Determining exactly where this line is drawn is not an exact science. You make the distinction between managing PR with the press vs communicating with the actual owners of the club, yet surely you also realise that as soon as something is communicated to the MCT members, it is effectively in the public domain? To be clear - all concerned could have done a lot better with how this situation was managed & communicated. I just don’t see this as a reason not to support the clubs current fundraising efforts.

1 & 2 - Another motion was proposed and passed on the night and took approximately 10 minutes out of the meeting to conclude, so your excuse for inaction is paper thin. You keep whining about Barr on here, yet having been in a position to instigate or at least propose change, have chosen to do the square root of fk all about it. So please stop whining about it on here or put your money where your mouth is. 3 - yes I’ve chosen to believe the words of people I trust. I personally don’t see this huge inconsistency with what has been coming out of the club regarding our financial position, albeit the information has come out piece by piece. It’s up to the club & MCT to manage how they best think information should be made public & clearly things have been quite fluid, so I’m not going to criticise them for that without knowing the facts. In terms of transparency, difficult questions about the clubs finances were asked on Monday & were answered warts & all without dressing them up. I don’t remember any examples of questions being dodged or going unanswered on the subject of our finances. The “one day we are told EFG are liars then the next day we declare an emergency and get out the begging bowl” narrative doesn’t ring true if you look at the facts at hand. Maybe I’ve missed something here so please feel free to point out said contradictions if that is the case. Yes communications could have been a lot better from all concerned but I don’t buy the idea that there’s been some sort of cloak & dagger cover up campaign, and it’s certainly not enough to hold me back on contributing money that the club clearly is in dire need of

This time last year I very much had him in the same category as Sam and wanted him out. But after hearing feedback from people who I trust (Dean, Russell) I was fine with him staying. You do know that the MCT AGM was held earlier this week - if you really had an issue with Graham then that would have been the perfect opportunity to put forward a vote of no confidence and ask him to step down. I have no reason to suspect that they are telling us lies about running out of cash in October(see my comment above re trust). I would rather take this in good faith & make a donation now than wait for the evidence to show up when administrators get appointed or we get sanctioned for failing to pay wages But yeah, sure - you do you & wait until detailed cashflow projections backed up with a fully audited paper trail of evidence is published (not something I recall any other club in financial strife doing in the past, literally ever).

Fair. I too am more interested in discussing how we move forward than I am in picking over the bones of what went wrong. But whenever anyone tries to defend or underestimate the role Dalrada played in creating this situation I will still correct them.

I too was in favour of the massive cash injections from the local boy done good - who wouldn’t be? Unfortunately I would lay a lot of the blame for how that money was wasted at the door of our patron due to their ringfencing of how the money was to be spent, along with insisting we had the likes of laird, robinson & davies in the building. Oh and then of course there’s the hole their default has left in our budget(including us now having to use budget on paying for players they were meant to be funding) So yes I think a huge proportion of the blame for our current situation can be laid at Dalradas door irrespective of how much they put in and how many of us were in favour of it at the time

It was made pretty clear last night that unless something else comes along we will run out of money in October. Would you prefer if we wait until the shit hits the fan before doing something about it? I get that there are recriminations to be had around how we got here, but in terms of where we currently find ourselves I don’t understand what issue you have with this course of action. The “what else?” Is that we run out of money in October. Regarding alternative plans, I cannot speak for either respective board but it’s clear they have been put in a difficult position with the dalrada default while having limited scope to enter negotiations with any alternatives that might be out there due to the exclusivity stuff. It’s also worth mentioning the time bound pressure there was to get the deal finalised before the ill-fated vote.

Actually it was 16 hours after coming clean about the reality of our financial situation while denying Estrellas claims that the situation was hidden from them. Taking the facts into consideration I think it’s entirely appropriate to do this now rather than waiting until October in lieu of anything else being in place

There has been quite a considerable turnover since last summer. Who are you talking about?

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What a crock of shit. No alternative proposal was put to members - a person in attendance asked if there had been any other approaches and the question was answered. As for the supposed 900 members online being ignored - nope, it was closer to 100 online, and their responses to the motion were included in the count alongside the show of hands in the room. Agreed. It was Xanders “statement” that turned folk against them before this possible alternative was even mentioned.

I agree - our reputation is already in the gutter after Murray’s whining so at this stage I don’t really care if starting a fund raiser leads to accusations of tinpottery from our rival fans. Public perception at the moment is probably far worse than the reality of our situation, so let’s turn that negative into a positive by taking advantage of it and getting the begging bowl out. I would be happy to start the page myself but it might be better if it came from someone who has an official capacity within MCT or GMFC. as a starting point, maybe something like - Greenock Morton Emergency appeal As a fan-owned club, Greenock Morton is built on the community, and since coming under fan ownership has always been run on a break even basis, consistently punching above our weight while working with one of the lowest budgets in the Championship. In recent weeks news has come out that our major sponsor has been hit by financial difficulties preventing them from fulfilling their commitments for the 25/26 season, leaving a potential hole of over £300k in the club’s budget. The club currently has enough funds to pay bills and wages for August and September, but unless something changes before October, we will run into serious financial issues. This appeal is to keep the lights on - paying essential bills and covering the wages of the existing staff who make the club run day to day. This isn’t about transfers or new signings. This is about making sure Cappielow stays open, the team are able to fulfil their fixtures, and the staff can keep their jobs. What your donation does: Every £ raised goes directly to: 1. Essential operating bills - keeping Cappielow running 2. Staff wages - protecting the people behind the scenes 3. Giving the club breathing room to secure new long-term partnerships

in my opinion the veto could be misused in order to give them de-facto power. eg nope we are going to keep vetoing [insert hiring/firing/budgetary decision here] until you propose the one that we want.