Greacen2000

I’m happy enough with us signing Main - good experience at this level and gives us a different option up front. Loan til end of the season so minimal risk from a financial pov. Not too worried about the Ayr fans being happy to get rid of him given that they loved Sean Mcginty and thought Baird was a shitebag.

TL:DR - what a fucking yawnfest. If this forum is as moribund as you claim then this is exactly the sort of content that’s to blame. Imagine the occasional reader/poster coming on here looking for an update after a big win and just before the transfer deadline, and being faced with this pish. I’m genuinely surprised that you even bothered responding again to this thread when there are clearly more important matters to discuss (2 weeks worth!). It’s almost as if you care more about petty points scoring non-arguments than you do about discussing current affairs. Do better VT.

At this stage I think it’s probably best for everyone that we part ways. I greatly appreciate the money that Dalrada have put into the club but it has come at the cost of ceding more influence than I would have liked, as well as some very wasteful spending (some, but not all of which can be blamed on the Dalrada influence). Ultimately I will probably look back on this time as a wasted opportunity - think of the legacy that could have been left if the money had been spent on developing the gap site instead of the wages we have spunked on numerous on & off the field appointments who have contributed very little. I appreciate that there’s a proper exit strategy in place as opposed to just pulling the plug at the end of the season. This should give us time to find some alternative sources of funding while planning our opex to be aligned with the new financial reality we find ourselves in.

Tele saying we are close to signing another defender - https://www.greenocktelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/25817136.morton-confident-adding-defender-transfer-window-closes/

This season has been some of the worst football I’ve watched from us in years(both pre & post Imrie leaving), and it is a self evident fact that we are only still clear of the relegation zone and in touch of the promotion playoffs by virtue of the clubs above and below us also having shite seasons. Not sure which part of that is “patently laughable nonsense” The fact that we have went on to get 4 from a possible 6 points in the league since then only reinforces my earlier point that all the knicker wetting over the stenny result was a massive over-reaction. I still don’t see where revisionism comes into it so would you mind having another go at explaining it to me? Please “be very specific, champ” You are going to have to try a bit harder I’m afraid, because your narrative of “covering for the manager and players with ludicrous revisionism” is pretty flimsy, champ.

Not sure why you are quoting me in a comment about revisionism? You are the one digging up a 2 week old thread & I stand by everything I said at the time.

Would have been a massive 3 points anyway but results elsewhere make it even more so. That was easily the most enjoyable experience I’ve had watching us this season(admittedly against a pretty low benchmark). For most of the game we were dominant and should have went in with a bigger lead at half time. I was worried when Longridge went off but Owens looked very comfortable. I wasn’t sure about us signing him but on the basis of today it looks like it could be a good bit of business. Probably Delaneys best performance in a ton shirt & O’Halloran was brilliant too (continuing to prove me wrong). I was worried about Shug filling in at centre half again but he was solid & adds a lot of composure & quality in terms of how we play out from the back too. Disappointing to concede an easy shiter of a goal at the end but I will take it. Murray mentioned their improved fitness in the post match interview & i did think that on the whole the entire team looked more energetic today, and subsequently all looked knackered in the last 10-15 mins. If we continue to improve along the same lines and manage to bring in a couple of reinforcements we will be fine and today has left me feeling pretty optimistic about the rest of the season.

I’m genuinely interested in where abouts you are seeing this broad opinion on FB. I am a member of several Morton related groups and they all have the same handful of people posting on them? Your claims about dwindling support aren’t really backed up by the facts either. I am no MCT fluffer but under the Rae’s we lost 3-400k per season and had nothing to show for it but debt. I want us to do better than we are, but at present we are doing better than we did under the ownership of the Raes by any measure (other than money spent on wasteful signings). Agree - while it isn’t a priority position for us, it would be a massive upgrade on our current options so shouldn’t be sniffed at if it’s a possibility.

The tele article made it sound more like a mutual consent type situation - Murray mentions it’s part of managing the budget etc so if it’s let us get him off the wage bill while letting him take up an opportunity elsewhere it might be in everyone’s interests Aye he’s a good player but hasn’t been as prolific as we would have hoped. He will be one of our highest earners and Murray might think he can make better use of the money.

Very decent point there and a fantastic goal from Garrity. Not really much else we can learn due to the appalling conditions. Frustrating that we didn’t make better use of having the wind behind us in the first half but great effort to get the equalizer and nice to see a sub making the difference too. Also, only 1 goal conceded from 9 corners so credit to Murray and the players for the improvement on last weeks performance

Totally take that on board - I would have included corner stats if there was an easy way of me doing so without having to trawl back through match reports etc to see all the sources of goals conceded Having said that, I still think that we don’t just become shite at defending corners - our players just lost individual battles while theirs took their chances. To take a recent example, it was a fucking miracle that we don’t concede at least 1 goal from the countless corners Partick had when we played them . At no point however did I feel like we were doing a particularly great job of defending them - every time they had a corner it caused us problems but just didn’t lead to a goal.

I think you are underestimating the extent to which the defensive cracks have been papered over by shite finishing & good goalkeeping this season. If you look at the stats below it would suggest that we didn’t become “immediately worse” as a result of Murray - the chances stenny created against us was broadly in line with how we have performed all season. Of course Murray is responsible for getting the players to perform, but in this case I think we need to put more focus on individual performances than on us somehow being “made worse” by the new manager.

We are also benefitting from the clubs directly above & below us performing a lot worse than expected this season. We are 9 points better off than we were at this point in 13/14 but our current points total would still have us very firmly in 9th place with Cowdenbeath breathing down our neck. This has been a monumentally awful season by any measure. It’s a borderline miracle we are currently (albeit barely) clear of the bottom 2 spots and still with a (mathematically at least)slim chance of achieving 4th. At this stage I would bite your hand off to just stay up then build for next season but we have a lot of work to do as the 3 below us are all more than capable of having an upturn in form and overtaking us.

I don’t see why both things I said can’t be true. It didn’t look like we were disorganised or the players didn’t know where to be - they just didn’t do their jobs, and the manager has to take some of the responsibility for that.

Interesting timing for the club to post this, with the review meeting coming up to discuss the deal. “Partners like Dalrada Technology, who share our long term vision” Doesn’t exactly sound like they are about to walk away at the end of the season. If indeed there is more money on the table, I suppose the question will once again be of what they are asking for in return. At least this time round the discussions are being held well in advance

I certainly wouldn’t claim that Saturdays result had “nothing to do with him” but maybe others have. I was more reacting to calls about the result raising questions about Murray. If he had tinkered with the team excessively or attempted some Wilfred Nancy esque back 3 with no centre backs etc then maybe, but that’s not what happened and I think it’s unfair to raise questions over the manager after just 1 game. on the “4 league places” thing - I could just as easily said something like “losing to a team who are flying high in the league below us is comparable to/no worse than being knocked out by a team who are struggling 2 divisions below us”. The point still stands, and I do believe that in some cases (maybe not you) the cognitive bias I mention has played a part in people’s reactions to the result.

Sorry brain fart from me there. Totally point taken re the significance of the competition & the nature of the defeat, but I would still say that purely on the basis of the performance, result & standard of opponent they are comparable.

I would probably give it a few more games before calling it a regression. Maybe it’s sign of a regression, or maybe it’s a 1-off. There have been plenty of games this season where we could have conceded more from these situations, but were saved by good goalkeeping or bad finishing so I’m not ready to call it a massive regression just yet. You won’t hear me calling this anything other than a monumentally awful result, but i still think you are overreacting a bit. It’s possible that some folk might have a bit of a cognitive bias here because it’s Stenhousemuir. If we had went down by the same scoreline to Inverness, Queen of the south (and maybe even Hamilton!) then I doubt the reaction would have been as severe. Arguably it isn’t even our worst result of this season - I would say that getting knocked out the challenge cup by a team who had just gone 8 games without a win in League 2 is objectively worst than getting knocked out by a team 4 places below us. And before you say it’s about the scoreline rather than just the result - Stirling created more chances against us and we could easily have conceded more if it weren’t for some big saves (something that didn’t happen on Saturday unfortunately).

I didn’t see anything in the game to suggest that the poor defending was down to bad organisation or coaching - the players were where I would expect them to be but they didn’t do their job. I also haven’t seen anyone trying to completely absolve Murray from responsibility. We lost the game - the players and coaching staff are quite clearly responsible for that. yes it was an embarrassing defeat, but we have no god given right to beat a team who are only 4 places below us based on current standings. All this pish about “one of the worst results in the clubs history” etc etc is a prime example of the overreaction I am talking about.

Ok is that something to do with the ball numbers being allocated based on seeding or alphabetical order? Fair enough I hadn’t factored that in, but my point still stands for an away tie at Dunfermline (albeit maybe with a very slightly higher chance of progressing than we would have against Falkirk) - it would have been another shite draw

I had a bad feeling about this one and wasn’t at all surprised to see us lose, but to lose 4-0 is absolutely shocking, albeit the scoreline was a bit of a freak for me and definitely flattered stenny. I still think that some of the reactions have been a bit over the top - the new managers only been in the door a couple of weeks and we have been shite all season with a bloated and imbalanced squad so it’s a bit much to blame it all on him. Players don’t suddenly forget how to defend corners because they haven’t been coached properly on it for 2 weeks. I actually thought the post match interview was refreshingly honest. I have no issue with him saying we need to strengthen, and I thought he was right to call out the players while stopping short of throwing anyone under the bus. Now he has to do what he said in terms of going back to basics and making us harder to beat. I know this shouldn’t really factor into how I feel about the defeat but I must say that the next round draw has softened the blow for me quite a lot. A tie at home to Falkirk* would have all but guaranteed a humiliating exit at the next round anyway while offering little in the way of being a big earner so at least we haven’t missed out on a big money spinner or an easy tie against an Elgin/Kelty/Spartans(not that we can assume any of them would have been easy on the strength of Saturdays showing) * Jamie rightly pointed out that we would have been ball 9 in the draw, so wouldn’t have got the same draw as Stenny did - we would have been away to Dunfermline which is still a shite draw

No longer paying for a guy with a made up job title is a good step in the right direction towards avoiding, or at least minimising the impact of “the money running out”. We have nothing to show for all the money Dalrada has thrown us in the past few years anyway. No progress on the park, none of the promised improvements in governance and professionalism or technological innovation etc off the park. So maybe we won’t be that much worse off anyway if/when that well runs dry and we need to cut our cloth accordingly.

past couple of months he has just been making sub appearances of 15-20 mins here & there so has definitely fallen out of favour. Livi owner also making noises about spending big to try and keep them up so I can see him going out - just not to us. Agreed. The squad is bloated and there have been so many complete passengers this season that we can probably afford to let 4-5 go out with only a couple coming in & still end up with a stronger squad than we started the season with (depending of course on the quality of any additions)

Hopefully we can replace him with someone who has a bit more energy and better fitness levels. I’ve thought a few time this season that we would have benefited from having someone up front in the Gozie Ugwu mould. Was wondering about Muirhead going out on loan as he isn’t getting a lot of game time. Sadly if this happens I think Raith would be a more likely destination given the Imrie relationship (and the fact he never seemed to forgive our support for the abuse he took earlier on in his Morton career). I had also thought there might be a chance of us going in for Jack Hamilton but that seems unlikely now too as Imrie seems to rate him.

Apologies - I just searched back and it was indeed Stuart who came out with the apocalypse line and not yourself. Maybe the fact that I am at the point of mixing the two of you up should tell you something about how you are coming across in some of your most recent posts! The calls of “liar” were made at the EGM at the supporters club in June - I could have sworn it was you but if I am mistaken then please accept my apology. I remember this well - at the time i greatly appreciated your candour and I still do today. Errors of mistaken identity aside(again - I am sorry), I still stand by the rest of what I said in my earlier post. It feels to me like your recent comments on here have strayed into the realm of scaremongering while offering nothing constructive. If you have highlighted issues to the current MCT leadership and they have fallen on deaf ears then you have an opportunity to step up yourself again, or to at least put your concerns to the wider MCT membership at the next meeting. There isn’t much value in sniping from the sidelines while at the same time washing your hands of the situation. As for the dodgy Q&A document, you won’t get any arguments from me. The timing of the vote & the content of that document were farcical, but the interim MCT board along with Club leadership were to blame for this. Only 3 of the 6 current GMFC board members were in place at the time, along with the now departed advisory club chair with no formal decision making powers, and MCT have since elected a new board. We can’t change what happened last year but we will soon have an opportunity to change how things work moving forward.