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    Thread About Ex Player

    in General Morton Chatter

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    I've now heard the term "he never hid" to describe utter snakes like Scott Mclaughlin and Carlo Monti on this cesspool in a few weeks.

     

    It's just a meaningless term used by happy-clappers to defend their gormless, bizarre heroes, isn't it?

     

    It does seem to be the new "he could do a job at this level" or "good squad player", yes.

    Thread About Ex Player

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    Disagree

    He was a pretty good player for us good with free and penalty kicks and always tried and never hid unlike many others eg McDuffie

    Was he a Rangers or Cellic supporter hence the criticism etc etc

     

    That's a bizarre accusation. Half of Scottish football supports Rangers or Celtic. Monti's issue was he was far too big for his boots and wasn't even that good.

    Thread About Ex Player

    in General Morton Chatter

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    Carlo ****in Monti. If we ever feel too down about any of our current squad, we can at least be grateful that we don't have him creeping about.

    There does seem to be an admirably low 'bam quotient' at Cappielow these days. Monti wasn't even the worst of the lot back then, on or off the pitch.

    Thread About Ex Player

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    I agree he deserves his place but it doesn't necessarily need to be up front. He's been pretty good out wide this season too, he's certainly not a striker or even a number 10 type player but Duffy has sparingly used him well up top for the reasons you've mentioned in certain games. 

     

    If we got Dece again I'd definitely have him straight in the team if fit and have Stef on one of the wings. 

     

    Fair play, would go for that. Stef broke down the right for our equalizer on Saturday, put him there and tell all the left-backs in the division their tea's oot.

    Thread About Ex Player

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    A front 2 of Denny and McManus would be tremendous.

     

    I've not yet seen all of today's game but I noticed that Stef did really well to hold the ball up and free Denny for our equalizer, and got in the middle to follow up (not that he had to, Tavernier did that for us, lol.)

     

    I can't believe I'm saying this but I think Stef is well worth his place at the moment up front.

    Thread About Ex Player

    in General Morton Chatter

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    It would be churlish to deny that some players move on too soon because their reach exceeds their grasp. Whether it's money, fame, ambition, a chance to play at a higher level, there are certainly occasions when a player would be better-served by staying put.

     

    However, a few points:

     

    First off, this is a global issue. Spend 20 minutes flicking through player pages on Wikipedia - just pick a random club in (say) Denmark and check some random players, move forward to those of other clubs and so on. You will see in many clubs players who moved while young and only have a couple of first team appearances. Or players who were training at a small club, then went to finish their youth career at a major club, then start again at the bottom after they got released. It happens everywhere. It's a sign of Scottish solipsim ("wha's like us?") to assume that just because the 900lb gorilla of England is just over the border, we're somehow hard done by here. It happens within countries too (in fact I'd say the competition for good young players *within* England) is a lot more savage than anything else.

     

    Secondly, who do you think is most aware of the fact that English football is hugely physical? The people of provincial Scottish clubs aren't the only ones with eyes: the people who know it best of all are - surprise surprise - the English clubs themselves. It's been maybe two weeks since we had a tear-drenched thread on here about players being released because they're "too wee", and now we expect that there's an entire league setup that's signing players who are in, in fact, too wee. I don't really see how we can have it both ways. Clubs with professional scouting and sporting setups (which is to say virtually all of them in the English 92) are quite aware of the kind of physicality required in their leagues, in fact most of them are far ahead of smaller Scottish clubs in this (as you'd expect.) I don't know what went wrong in McManus' case because in a lot of cases players are signed to be developed rather than dropped straight in, but in McManus they seem to have thrown him in at the deep end. It doesn't speak particularly well of Fleetwood anyway.

     

    Finally, it's one thing for a club to advise a player on the dangers of moving on, but they're hardly a disinterested party, are they? Any player looking to a professional club to always put the player first is on a hiding to nothing. I remember Jim McAlistair calling himself "naive" for taking the contract DDF Rae put in front of him while he was still developing. In hindsight he was probably right. By staying at Morton he got several more seasons of first team football and Morton got a good player (so DDF did right by the club, as is his job). But who's to say he wouldn't have done better by moving on? That's why he felt himself naive and if you look at his career since then you'd have to have some sympathy with him.

     

    Basically, it happens. Football is not as fluid a labor market as almost any other, but thousands of players at the professional level come and go each and every year. There will be good signings and bad signings. But to say that Scottish players are somehow more likely to do 'too much too young' is a position that holds only if you ignore the existence of the rest of football. Everything's a Scottish problem if you think only of Scotland.

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