SramTon
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53 minutes ago, TRVMP said:
I can't wait to see the next batch of youth prospects at Troon who will make their way to the pinnacle of the professional game, following in the footsteps of [SUBEDITOR INSERT PLAYER HERE, CHECK WIKIPEDIA FROM THE 1880S]
Steve Nicol and Alan Hutton?
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The article is almost like a burglar’s instruction manual.
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Nah, he's at Chennai, which I suppose would be almost their "local" rivals.
Way up north, ex-Rangers defender David Robertson (and his son) are at Real Kashmir in the other, much poorer (financially and standards-wise) top flight, the I-League.
They can't be that poor if their strips are Real Kashmir?
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Cormack was everyone’s scapegoat until he scored against those b*stards, tbf.
No, it was Cormack Snr the guy had a problem with (he didn’t like junior much either, but that was rational).
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Kilmarnock top of the league, eh?
Just think about it, an anniversary dinner 30 years from now and some alcoholic, Ayrshire tramp still whining about a f*ck up with money ten years on from that, whilst his lapdog does the Keystore run for his fags and Thunderbird every morning.
I used to sit in the stand with my Dad and there was a guy and his wife, both from Kilmarnock, who appeared behind us from 1994 to 97.
Guy was a mentalist and absolutely hated Peter Cormack Snr. Bear in mind this was the Lindberg, Rajamaki, Lilley, McInnes etc. era where we were going great and playing some of the best stuff ever. No matter what happened Cormack was getting it, starting from the moment the team (picked by McGraw) was announced. We'd be comfortably winning and McGraw makes a sub in injury time: "CORMACK!!! You ***ing clown!!!" etc. His wee wife would be trying to calm him down as he's near giving himself a stroke.
Anyway, all throughout the 96-97 season he kept announcing that he'd had enough and was going to get a season ticket for Killie. Never saw them again after that, so presume that's what they did.
So, anyway, that's the guy.
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Ross Forbes, Dunfermline.
Good point.
I had also misread AyrshireTon's post as non-events everywhere else (i.e. they'd only been brilliant for us and useless everywhere else), rather than just elsewhere (i.e. only need to have been an non-event at one club).
That probably opens it up a lot more. You could have Bobby Thomson (not rated at all by Hibs fans) or even the likes of Rajamaki.
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Best keep it balanced and have the flipside too - "players who were brilliant for us and complete non events elsewhere".
I'm struggling with this category.
Andy Ritchie comes to mind, albeit he was already on a downwards slope before leaving us (hence why released); not exactly a non-event at Celtic either.
Rowan Alexander possibly, but I think that would be harsh to call him a non-event outside of his time with us.
There's been a few guys who got big moves and turned into non-events (Archie Gourlay and Mark McGraw) but neither were even close to brilliant for us.
I am i forgetting someone obvious?
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It's been so long I don't remember - did he actually try to resign after the playoff defeat and DDF refused to accept it, or was that later?
He was on the radio within minutes of full-time saying that he wouldn’t be resigning.
He had previously said that he would resign if we didn’t win promotion, but later used the removal of the second automatic promotion place and it’s replacement by the playoff to retreat from that.
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Billy Steel's transfer to Derby County was the (then) UK transfer record. £15,500 in 1947 is about £617,000 in today's prices, adjusted for inflation.
He was then transferred to Dundee for £22,500 in 1950, which is about £757,000 today.
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It's remarkable how often the club manages to concoct a hilarious, tear-stained sense of injustice and gets the comfortable majority of the gormless fanbase to lap it up verbatim. 'Dundee FC' levels of scrutiny on display here.
The way the Wilson handled the McInnes situation and its aftermath (spending the money on Reid rather than a replacement midfielder) were major factors in the fans revolting against him.
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If you believe that Bill McMurdo, who was the shrewdest agent in the game at the time, would agree to a small club’s demands for a confidentiality clause in their most prized asset’s contract, at a time said club were desperate to hold onto him, and with Bosman just round the corner and the transfer market going through a period of uncertainty, then there’s nothing I can say to convince you.
Only an idiot, or someone with a massive case of sour grapes would be convinced by such a fairytale. Morton were desperate to keep a hold of McInnes- they were in no position of strength to be inserting clauses such as that into the contract of an in demand star player, especially one tied up by an agent that ran rings round far bigger clubs than ourselves.
I think you over-state the position of strength McInnes was in at the time of negotiating his extension.
Whilst the Bosman ruling was just around the corner, no-one knew what the judgment was going to be. Also, the Bosman case (and judgment) related to transfers between EU member states: it did not in itself relate or apply to transfers within the same member-state (this was a later adoption).
He was also not "in demand" at the time of signing his extension: he was in dispute over offered contract for some time before eventually signing and was not linked to any clubs during that summer period. He could have signed elsewhere if another club wanted him and was prepared to either meet our expectations or go to tribunal, but he didn't seem to have any attractive offers. He was our star player, but was still relatively low-profile at that time.
That aside, confidentiality clauses are common-place in employment contracts; mine has one and I suspect most football contracts are a standard form which includes such a clause. In the vast majority of cases there is no reason to object to a confidentiality clause, but insisting on its removal would send red flags.
I doubt the escape clause had it's own confidentiality clause, but suspect it was captured by a general confidentiality clause covering the entire contract. Wilson was quite explicit in the media about the contract having a confidentiality clause and McInnes/McMurdo breaking it. Had there been no such clause, the obvious response of McInnes/McMurdo would have been to admit to leaking the escape clause because they were perfectly entitled to do so. But they never admitted it, and they also never sought to argue that there was no confidentiality clause.
More likely that McInnes/McMurdo accepted the clause because: a) any bid from a genuinely interested Premiership Club would have exceeded the 250K threshold anyway, b.) if need by they could always leak the threshold figure with effective impunity, and c) in the event of Bosman going the way they hoped, McInnes would be able to escape at the end of his new contract regardless. All three of these factors came good.
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Sorry if his is a Gourlay moment but i didn't notice it mentioned elsewhere
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04xhg68
Really interesting interview with Andy Mclaren from 19 minutes in - well worth a listen
It's a decent listen on its own merits (albeit could've done with being edited down from 37 minutes: there's a lot of repetition), but don't anyone go into it expecting him to make any mention of his time at Morton.
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Stef to St Mirren?
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I thought Martin Foster was reasonably decent tbh.
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Granted I miss quite a lot... but I don't really get the Hoppy hate that VT and Toby share.
VT was Kenny Shiel's biggest cheerleader before and after he got the job.
Given a choice of admitting that Shiels was the wrong man at the wrong time and his tenure was an abject failure, or instead shifting the blame onto the nearest available stooge in Hoppy, there was only going to be one result.
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McGuffie actually had a really decent spell for us at right back in the final months of his contact when playing under Grady. Must've been Grady who got the best out of him.
McGuffie was obviously a rubbish central midfielder, but he was a solid right back and that's why once he'd been moved there with us he then held a first team place down at this level for several seasons between us and Queen of the South.
In pure technical ability alone Monti wasn't dreadful, but that's irrelevant to how effective he was; he just didn't really contribute anything in any of the multitude of positions he played. Great penalty taker and we've seen far worse players, but there's nothing else to be said for him.
I remember Irons being interviewed just after he become manager and was asked how he planned to improve the squad. He replied that he had noticed that the team had no natural full-backs.
He then spent his entire time as Morton manager playing McGuffie in midfield and never signing any "proper" fullbacks.
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David MacGregor doing a skydive!?
He should just ask people to sponsor him £10 for every bone he breaks in the attempt.
Yorkhill could make a fortune.
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As for the most overrated player to play in a Morton jersey, I think you're praise of Jamie Stevenson has that covered
QUOTE(LargsTON @ Sep 3 2007, 11:44 AM) *f****y. I've said it before and will say it again, Jamie is the best and most gifted player I've seen at Cappielow since Janne Lindberg and I would hate to see him go. Please stay, Jamie.
Jamie Stevenson wasn't even half the player that Chris Millar was for us, nevermind Lindberg. Talent is about more than playing a few nice passes at second division level.
Ooft. Just made the 5-year statutory limitation period for the quoting of old, misguided and (for the original poster, hopefully long forgotten) posts by 1 month!
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Whilst I can't disagree factually with much that has been said about Jim, I do think that he was badly mistreated by successive managers.
As a right-sided player who had no crossing talent, he was patently unsuited to the left-winger/left-wing-back role with which he ended up being straddled for almost his entire Morton career.
It was his misfortune that his energy and workrate partly compensated for his lack of ability in the role and resulted him what should have been a temporary "patch" becoming a permanent solution.
He clearly had potential in his late-teens and, had he been properly nurtered (or been allowed to escape when Motherwell made their move), may have made the grade.
I side firmly with those who wouldn't have him back, not now, but I think some of the criticism for a guy who was never a waster is unfair.
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I'm sure I read somewhere that he was going to be training with LA Galaxy. I wouldn't be surprised to see him pitch up somewhere in the MLS.
The Sun stated that he was in training with LA Galaxy, but Cervi (apparently) tweeted to say that he was in Las Vegas and the story was nonsense.
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He's gone from threatening to go and play for Portugal to not being able to get a game for Port Glasgow.