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In the event that the 2019/20 Season is scrapped, what do we as supporters want for next season?

 

There is four outstanding fixtures on our season tickets, would you like a discount on next year's season book? The money refunded to you pro-rata? Or would you like the money to go towards paying the debts owed to Mrs Rae and Family?

 

Personally I'd settle for next year's season ticket being around the £240 mark, one thing which I would be loathe to see is any money going towards paying the debts accrued by the Rae Family.

 

Discuss.


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I don't have a season ticket so maybe should keep quiet but, at the least, I'd expect current season ticket holders to get a discount next year.

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1st season I haven't had a season ticket in years. Agree that current season ticket holders should get a discount

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Would people really be seeking a discount on the back of the death of thousands? Guess my moral compass points in a different direction.


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Would people really be seeking a discount on the back of the death of thousands? Guess my moral compass points in a different direction.

 

I think it's fair to ask that the money goes into debt reduction. The owners have made it clear they want their money back, so if we put our money in and don't get to see a game in return for that money, it's only fair that we get to see it going to productive use.

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Would people really be seeking a discount on the back of the death of thousands? Guess my moral compass points in a different direction.

The money would be going to the Raes, not the NHS or anyone else.

 

My suggestion was as much about retaining existing ST holders and help PR. I don't think refunds would be appropriate but, since I haven't paid for one, my opinion on that doesn't matter

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Yes all non season ticket holders should withdraw their comments as they have no tangible contribution.

 

As I have said elsewhere use money to increase MCT holdings.

 

The club should give holders the option of MCT fund or discount next year.

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Would people really be seeking a discount on the back of the death of thousands? Guess my moral compass points in a different direction.

It's a perfectly reasonable suggestion, as firms throughout the world are giving some kind of goodwill gesture to customers or subscribers as a result in the interruption of service eg. Sky TV, BT Sport etc.

 

It is also worthwhile noting that the Season Ticket price hike at the start of the season was close to 50% on the previous years and one of the most expensive in the division.

 

As for seeking it on the back of the death of thousands!?! Are you for real here?


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I've not asked for or been offered anything from Sky. All I'm saying is if I'd bought a season ticket this year I wouldn't be giving two hoots about missing 4 games when there are much more important issues happening.


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I've not asked for or been offered anything from Sky. All I'm saying is if I'd bought a season ticket this year I wouldn't be giving two hoots about missing 4 games when there are much more important issues happening.

 

They've paused my Sky Sports payments but kept the service up for the period that there's no football.

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I've not asked for or been offered anything from Sky. All I'm saying is if I'd bought a season ticket this year I wouldn't be giving two hoots about missing 4 games when there are much more important issues happening.

I haven't asked for or been offered anything either, but then again I haven't contacted them recently. I suppose that will be the highlight of this week ahead.

 

There is more important issues happening all the time than season tickets for a small provincial team, but that doesn't let them off the hook.

 

I couldn't care less if the club owes it's owners money, that's their problem.


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Would people really be seeking a discount on the back of the death of thousands? Guess my moral compass points in a different direction.

This.

Don’t give a toss about the outstanding games as long as we're all here to see the next season.


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Hayes playing it forward, Bell being forced to do it all alone, now forward from Marr, here's Ritchie, still Andy Ritchie, look at the control...

That is a marvellous goal from Andy Ritchie. Twenty minutes on the clock and Morton's supporters come alive. A goal which epitomises the control, the arrogance, the cheek of Andy Ritchie.

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I've paused my Sky Sports subscription and have two months credit for BT Sport. I don't think there's anything wrong, in principle, in getting some sort of refund or equivalent. If I had a holiday cancelled, I'd be looking for a refund or change of holiday dates as well. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

 

In the case of my season ticket, I'd take a partial refund if the club have insurance for that purpose. Otherwise, I'm not bothered. I'm not expecting anything and I'm not going to go looking for anything. I expect most season ticket holders to be the same, and it would be nice if the club acknowledged this in some way. I don't necessarily mean in a financial way, but at least to help nurture some good will and appreciation from the club towards the fans.

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It should also be remembered that a lot of us aren't currently earning as much as we were whilst we sit twiddling our thumbs on furlough leave.

 

If you only look at the picture of folk dying you're allowing folk you're dealing with to take advantage of your good nature. For example, since lockdown, my factor, which I pay £90 a quarter for hasn't been anywhere near my close for maintenance work and all but my own landing, which I've cleaned myself, is absolutely filthy. I certainly intend getting in touch with my local authority for a refund on it when I'm not getting what I'm paying for and not earning what I normally earn.

 

We're heading for a major recession once we come out this at the other end and a lot of businesses are going to have to play sweet to retain or regain customers. Morton are no different. In my case, I'm willing to play ball because Morton are a business I've got a sentimental attachment to, but I want to see some sort of evidence of my money being used for something I feel is productive, not lining Crawford Rae's pockets because people are dying so it's not my place to ask. And not giving the media guy a pay off because someone's snaked his job.

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I’d have no problem getting a refund on the games not played, seen as I have been furloughed and am on 80% wages. Will also be interesting to see what happens with the money I had paid for hospitality for the Dundee United game that was postponed.

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It should also be remembered that a lot of us aren't currently earning as much as we were whilst we sit twiddling our thumbs on furlough leave.

 

If you only look at the picture of folk dying you're allowing folk you're dealing with to take advantage of your good nature. For example, since lockdown, my factor, which I pay £90 a quarter for hasn't been anywhere near my close for maintenance work and all but my own landing, which I've cleaned myself, is absolutely filthy. I certainly intend getting in touch with my local authority for a refund on it when I'm not getting what I'm paying for and not earning what I normally earn.

 

We're heading for a major recession once we come out this at the other end and a lot of businesses are going to have to play sweet to retain or regain customers. Morton are no different. In my case, I'm willing to play ball because Morton are a business I've got a sentimental attachment to, but I want to see some sort of evidence of my money being used for something I feel is productive, not lining Crawford Rae's pockets because people are dying so it's not my place to ask. And not giving the media guy a pay off because someone's snaked his job.

That's pretty much my thoughts, Morton are a commercial organisation although they have their cap out so often that many folk are starting to treat them like a charity.

 

A lot of folk who have been furloughed cant afford to take a hit of around £80, especially when they face uncertainty. I think a good discount to existing season ticket holders for next season should suffice, especially as the prices this year were well over the odds.

 

I'm surprised that Bob, one of our more sane contributors, sought to turn this into a question of Morality.


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This strikes me as an utter nonsense argument tbh. Firstly, a season ticket is a sunk cost - the idea that you stand to ‘lose’ money from games no longer taking place is a classic example of that logical fallacy. In fact, the majority of people - including those furloughed - will like end up saving money by virtue of not travelling to the game, not buying a pie, programme, seven pints etc. every fortnight.

 

The idea that season ticket money is either i) available to be refunded or carried over to next season (it was spent long ago) or ii) going to enrich the Raes or any other club owner in the aftermath of this crisis is utterly detached from reality. This crisis is going to have a huge impact on Scottish football clubs long after the welcome government assistance schemes are in the rear view mirror. The idea that GMFC are in any position to dish out sweeteners (despite the business model of its parent company) to the fanbase is just daft. Everyone should be willing to accept the circumstances as they are while looking for the club to provide a credible ST package next season to all punters on an equal basis.


The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

 

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are

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This strikes me as an utter nonsense argument tbh. Firstly, a season ticket is a sunk cost - the idea that you stand to ‘lose’ money from games no longer taking place is a classic example of that logical fallacy. In fact, the majority of people - including those furloughed - will like end up saving money by virtue of not travelling to the game, not buying a pie, programme, seven pints etc. every fortnight.

 

The idea that season ticket money is either i) available to be refunded or carried over to next season (it was spent long ago) or ii) going to enrich the Raes or any other club owner in the aftermath of this crisis is utterly detached from reality. This crisis is going to have a huge impact on Scottish football clubs long after the welcome government assistance schemes are in the rear view mirror. The idea that GMFC are in any position to dish out sweeteners (despite the business model of its parent company) to the fanbase is just daft. Everyone should be willing to accept the circumstances as they are while looking for the club to provide a credible ST package next season to all punters on an equal basis.

 

The difference between paying for transport, pies, programmes and pints is that you would be getting those service/products in return for your money though. In the case of a season ticket, fans are getting 14/18 previously agreed fixtures.

 

As has been said by others elsewhere, how the club deal with any shortfall in monies is their problem- we've seen years of overspending and mismanagement that has seen the club to get to where it is just now and patience is running too thin for everyone to just say "ah, fuck it, help yourself to my money".

 

They may not be in the position to keep the fans sweet, but they may not be in the position not to, considering how popular the current regime is.

 

What I will say in the club's favour is that they've been good in helping folk out with away tickets in recent months but I doubt this has extended to every fan. Personally I don't want a refund for the four games, but writing it off without knowing what the club's stance on it is shouldn't really be an option for them. If we're not getting the matches out of it, then diluting the monies paid into a shareholding, no matter how small, for either the individuals or a fans' body or reducing the debt to the Rae's would be a satisfactory outcome for me.

 

Amen VT.

 

I'm in the same position as Sammy and Paul, having paid £89 hospitality for the Dundee United game. That's on top of what works out as £66.67 for the four remaining games. Do you really expect folk not to ask for something, be it a refund, or replacement hospitality package for their £89? I expect that an alternative will be offered, but if any business thinks they can take £89 off someone and give them nothing in return because people are dying, they've got a seriously misplaced sense of their customers' generosity/stupidity.

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This strikes me as an utter nonsense argument tbh. Firstly, a season ticket is a sunk cost - the idea that you stand to ‘lose’ money from games no longer taking place is a classic example of that logical fallacy. In fact, the majority of people - including those furloughed - will like end up saving money by virtue of not travelling to the game, not buying a pie, programme, seven pints etc. every fortnight.

 

 

 

But they're four games short of an 18 game season.

I think that between now and the next season starting, you will see several clubs throughout Scotland offering their supporters incentives along the lines of what was previously mentioned.

 

Only one particular club would have supporters so gormless enough to suggest that the money should be given to the clubs owners in order to cancel the pay debts accrued by and to themselves. I wonder what club that would be?

 

The idea that season ticket money is either i) available to be refunded or carried over to next season (it was spent long ago) or ii) going to enrich the Raes or any other club owner in the aftermath of this crisis is utterly detached from reality. This crisis is going to have a huge impact on Scottish football clubs long after the welcome government assistance schemes are in the rear view mirror. The idea that GMFC are in any position to dish out sweeteners (despite the business model of its parent company) to the fanbase is just daft. Everyone should be willing to accept the circumstances as they are while looking for the club to provide a credible ST package next season to all punters on an equal basis.

Aha, I see your motive here. You want everyone to get a cheaper season ticket as a result of this, and not just current season ticket holders. Aye, i'd go along with that too.


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The difference between paying for transport, pies, programmes and pints is that you would be getting those service/products in return for your money though. In the case of a season ticket, fans are getting 14/18 previously agreed fixtures.

 

As has been said by others elsewhere, how the club deal with any shortfall in monies is their problem- we've seen years of overspending and mismanagement that has seen the club to get to where it is just now and patience is running too thin for everyone to just say "ah, fuck it, help yourself to my money".

 

They may not be in the position to keep the fans sweet, but they may not be in the position not to, considering how popular the current regime is.

 

What I will say in the club's favour is that they've been good in helping folk out with away tickets in recent months but I doubt this has extended to every fan. Personally I don't want a refund for the four games, but writing it off without knowing what the club's stance on it is shouldn't really be an option for them. If we're not getting the matches out of it, then diluting the monies paid into a shareholding, no matter how small, for either the individuals or a fans' body or reducing the debt to the Rae's would be a satisfactory outcome for me.

 

 

I'm in the same position as Sammy and Paul, having paid £89 hospitality for the Dundee United game. That's on top of what works out as £66.67 for the four remaining games. Do you really expect folk not to ask for something, be it a refund, or replacement hospitality package for their £89? I expect that an alternative will be offered, but if any business thinks they can take £89 off someone and give them nothing in return because people are dying, they've got a seriously misplaced sense of their customers' generosity/stupidity.

I don't care enough to get into a debate mate. I'm just saying that had I paid for a season ticket i couldn't care less what happens from here on in with it. Morton are an absolute afterthought for me now.


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Partick down, Falkirk still down, no reconstruction promotion for the lecherous tuechatrs or Ayr, and a first visit to Tynecastle in about 40 years.

 

Ooft indeed.

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Partick down, Falkirk still down, no reconstruction promotion for the lecherous tuechatrs or Ayr, and a first visit to Tynecastle in about 40 years.

 

Ooft indeed.

Is this what's happening? Good stuff.


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