irnbru Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Good update from MacKinnon on YouTube today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Good update from MacKinnon on YouTube today. Before I look it up, is it a scab-free production? *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Before I look it up, is it a scab-free production? Interviewed by Gerry McDade but the volunteer is putting it out in podcast form later. So make sure you watch it on YouTube so you deprive him of the ratings. MacKinnon talks at length to justify the necessity for social media output without actually saying why he didn’t just keep a member of staff off of furlough in order that the job can be done, instead of using an opportunist that’s shamelessly looking to use this horrible disease for his own gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdc Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Before I look it up, is it a scab-free production? There's no ongoing industrial action at the club so should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 There's no ongoing industrial action at the club so should be fine. How do you know, are you privvy to the clubs internal grievance procedures? *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdc Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 How do you know, are you privvy to the clubs internal grievance procedures? No, but I'm reasonably sure that employees are on furlough and not on strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 No, but I'm reasonably sure that employees are on furlough and not on strike. Sounds like scab logic to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdc Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Sounds like scab logic to me. Only if you give scab a meaning that it doesn't have. But sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EanieMeany Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Only if you give scab a meaning that it doesn't have. But sure. Aye, I think the guy's an opportunistic chancer behaving in a pretty underhanded way but it's stretching the accepted meaning of "scab" a bit to apply it here. AWMSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Only if you give scab a meaning that it doesn't have. But sure. Using pedantry and semantics to justify undermining other people's jobs at at time when they're under threat is scab behaviour and therefore scab logic. No one's suggesting there's a strike in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdc Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Using pedantry and semantics to justify undermining other people's jobs at at time when they're under threat is scab behaviour and therefore scab logic. No one's suggesting there's a strike in progress. A scab is a strikebreaker. There’s a million miles between the club asking employees to go into furlough and - within the scope of the rules - the employer reallocating some functions on the one hand and employees taking action against an employer and being undermined on the other. Whatever the guy is, he’s not a scab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Only if you give scab a meaning that it doesn't have. But sure. A 'scab' is a term used for a replacement worker or substitute worker. Someone who volunteers to do the work for free which an employee on furlough was doing, is deserving of the term 'scab'. *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdc Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 A 'scab' is a term used for a replacement worker or substitute worker... ...brought in to undermine a strike. The furlough scheme allows for certain functions to be reallocated (and leaves it to the employer to determine which functions are critical), it allows for volunteers to do work (as well as for furloughed workers to take up employment/volunteer elsewhere). It’s fundamentally different. To accuse him of being a scab is to dilute the term of real meaning or to use it for the sake of it when really all you mean to do is to insult him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Scab is an insult, not an HR definition. I assume you're after some sort of voluntary position yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 ...brought in to undermine a strike. The furlough scheme allows for certain functions to be reallocated (and leaves it to the employer to determine which functions are critical), it allows for volunteers to do work (as well as for furloughed workers to take up employment/volunteer elsewhere). It’s fundamentally different. To accuse him of being a scab is to dilute the term of real meaning or to use it for the sake of it when really all you mean to do is to insult him. Whether I wish to insult anyone is neither here nor there. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/scab The term originates from meaning 'unpleasant person' back in the 1500s, and rather than diluting the term of real meaning I am perhaps closer to its original definition, as someone volunteering to do the work of a furloughed employee for free and then using the role to further your own selfish aims is befitting of the term 'scab'. Better luck next time, Champ. *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdc Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I assume you're after some sort of voluntary position yourself Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdc Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Whether I wish to insult anyone is neither here nor there. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/scab The term originates from meaning 'unpleasant person' back in the 1500s, and rather than diluting the term of real meaning I am perhaps closer to its original definition, as someone volunteering to do the work of a furloughed employee for free and then using the role to further your own selfish aims is befitting of the term 'scab'. Better luck next time, Champ. Terrible patter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Scab is an insult, not an HR definition. I assume you're after some sort of voluntary position yourself? He is wishing to use the narrowest definition for a word which has a broad meaning. And failing at it too. *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Terrible patter. Terrible retort. Next. *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EanieMeany Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 ...brought in to undermine a strike. The furlough scheme allows for certain functions to be reallocated (and leaves it to the employer to determine which functions are critical), it allows for volunteers to do work (as well as for furloughed workers to take up employment/volunteer elsewhere). It’s fundamentally different. To accuse him of being a scab is to dilute the term of real meaning or to use it for the sake of it when really all you mean to do is to insult him. Agreed. It's a loaded word (rightly so), and it doesn't really apply here. As I said before, the guy's a bit of a walloper but "scab" is pushing it. AWMSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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