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Now that it has reached the UK, how should this be controlled?


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Game over, man! Game over!

 

It spreads asymptomatically - this is 100% confirmed. And it can apparently be contracted via aerosol infection, albeit in relatively closed environments.

 

Those factors plus weeks of unrestricted travel means that there is no stopping it now. Instead it simply has to burn itself out.

 

Looking forward to my flights this weekend.


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There are a lot of precautionary measures taken in this part of the world. Before you enter any public building or school you must have your temperature taken and declare your previous travel destinations. It suits me nicely as my work schedule has been pretty much halved. 


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There are a lot of precautionary measures taken in this part of the world. Before you enter any public building or school you must have your temperature taken and declare your previous travel destinations. It suits me nicely as my work schedule has been pretty much halved. 

 

While these will certainly help and not make it worse, the fact remains that even doing these things can't stop the spread if someone is asymptomatic or slightly symptomatic. Still, of all the world's countries, Singapore seems to be handling it the best. Certainly better than the clown show of South Korea.


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I heard today of someone I know who was on a skiing holiday a couple of weeks ago in Italy.  Was sent home from work yesterday as a precaution (no symptoms of anything) but his missus, who wasn't in Italy but works at the same school, wasn't.  Seems to me pretty pointless to send anyone home when people they have been in contact with are free to carry on as normal.  No wonder this virus is spreading.  Also now appears that 14 days is not sufficient time to quarantine folk, as some who were symptom-free and allowed to go on their way have now developed symptoms.  The response of the authorities has been pretty poor in most countries.


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Someone in our drawing office got sent home yesterday having been in italy skiing. Another girl due back from a skiing holiday in Italy some time next week. 

 

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Why do the Chinese keep creating virus pandemics and why do they always get some unsuspecting suckers to become the scapegoats to take the heat of them? It was Toronto with Sars, now with this virus its the Italians.

 

What the world Health Organization needs to do is consult the greatest medical professionals available, and come up with a solution. It will only cost a bottle of Thunderbird, 20 Mayfair, 4Rolls and yesterday's Daily Record. Granted the prescription is likely to be random pictures of frogs, but surely that's better than nothing?

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I assume N95 masks are completely sold out over there? I was at Home Depot and Lowe's (our two big hardware chains in the US) for other things this week and they had signs up saying "We are all out of N95 masks". Out of curiosity I went on Amazon and what vendors do still have them are gouging on price. Thankfully we have some in the house already but it's clear that there's a massive shortage. I then later read that the US has a stockpile of 30 million such masks, but would need 300 million for health workers alone in the case of a pandemic.

 

The response from the US authorities and Trump administration has been absolutely pisspoor, it has to be said, in line with the way most of the world is dealing with this. And it goes to show the real danger of unrestricted free trade, travel, and globalization in general. Even the WHO and CDC seem far more concerned with the economic impact than with the actual public health implications. Basically, outside of some of East Asia, this disease is being managed by the Davos crowd, with all that follows.

 

That said, it's important not to overreact. But underreacting is even more dangerous.


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I assume N95 masks are completely sold out over there? I was at Home Depot and Lowe's (our two big hardware chains in the US) for other things this week and they had signs up saying "We are all out of N95 masks". Out of curiosity I went on Amazon and what vendors do still have them are gouging on price. Thankfully we have some in the house already but it's clear that there's a massive shortage. I then later read that the US has a stockpile of 30 million such masks, but would need 300 million for health workers alone in the case of a pandemic.

 

The response from the US authorities and Trump administration has been absolutely pisspoor, it has to be said, in line with the way most of the world is dealing with this. And it goes to show the real danger of unrestricted free trade, travel, and globalization in general. Even the WHO and CDC seem far more concerned with the economic impact than with the actual public health implications. Basically, outside of some of East Asia, this disease is being managed by the Davos crowd, with all that follows.

 

That said, it's important not to overreact. But underreacting is even more dangerous.

 

The Singaporean Government purchased and distributed 10 masks, free of charge, to every household in the country, and the health status is currently at the orange alert level. Other than that, supermarkets and pharmacies haven't had any face masks, handheld thermometers or hand sanitiser in probably about six weeks. They've also doubled the cleaning regimes on public transport and in public buildings (which were already spotless to begin with). 

 

Given that most people in Singapore are at least partly Chinese, and given that a huge percentage of the population travel back to China for CNY, the Singapore Government was always going to be pro-active in tackling the virus. Tourism has dropped around 30% since the period after CNY, so it's obviously going to have a knock on effect to the local economy. I'm glad I'm in a country that's been more pro-active compared to the way most western nations have dealt with the virus thus far. 


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The Singaporean Government purchased and distributed 10 masks, free of charge, to every household in the country, and the health status is currently at the orange alert level. Other than that, supermarkets and pharmacies haven't had any face masks, handheld thermometers or hand sanitiser in probably about six weeks. They've also doubled the cleaning regimes on public transport and in public buildings (which were already spotless to begin with). 

 

Given that most people in Singapore are at least partly Chinese, and given that a huge percentage of the population travel back to China for CNY, the Singapore Government was always going to be pro-active in tackling the virus. Tourism has dropped around 30% since the period after CNY, so it's obviously going to have a knock on effect to the local economy. I'm glad I'm in a country that's been more pro-active compared to the way most western nations have dealt with the virus thus far. 

 

Yeah, none of that is happening here. There's some self-quarantine requirements and some travel restrictions but from what I can see nothing is actually being enforced.

 

I'll be in the San Fernando Valley this weekend, with a lot of people in the tourist industry, and given how much of the West Coast's tourism is now Chinese, I'll be very interested to see and hear how they've been affected. My guess is, significantly worse than the media here is letting on.

 

Because I'm an insane person I already have decent stockpiles of food, water, disinfectants/bleach, sanitizer, fuel, and so on. Masks, I don't have in any great number. Certainly not enough for me and my wife to use beyond a couple of weeks. But regardless of how this is spreading, I don't envision anything truly serious happening here, at least not here in North Texas. My concern is more about the knock-on effect of shutdowns elsewhere, mostly in China, given that in the US we don't manufacture anything anymore and for any staple good that isn't food or oil we are hugely reliant on imports.


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Affecting supply of manufactured good to the oil industry here in Aberdeen as well. Amazing the impact when a country such as China suffers something like this. 

 

Still, horrible nation. 

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Affecting supply of manufactured good to the oil industry here in Aberdeen as well. Amazing the impact when a country such as China suffers something like this. 

 

Still, horrible nation. 

 

I'm hearing anecdotally that many plastic goods are running low here in the US. It's probably a combination of decreased exports from China, and people hoarding in case of shortages down the road. As long as it's plastic trinkets, no big deal. So, what if it's medicine containers? What if it's the medicines themselves? The world's antibiotics are, with very little exaggeration, all made in China. 

 

Not to go too far off topic but this is an aspect of our society that isn't talked about nearly enough: the end of Western manufacturing is really not just an economic issue but an issue of life and death. We have no capacity to make these things ourselves. We are completely and 100% reliant on a sometimes-hostile foreign nation to keep our hospitals running, and we did these things for a quick buck.

 

The hilarious part is that businesses like clothing and electronics saw the flaw in this scheme long before health did. Supply chains in clothing are now far more diffuse and distributed in part because, okay, Vietnam and Bangladesh are cheaper, but also because a child could tell you that having a single supplier in a single city in a single country is a risky proposition. Seemingly our genius medical administrators didn't get the memo. (Or, more accurately, they did, but they didn't care to pay attention. See: https://www.amazon.com/China-Rx-Exposing-Americas-Dependence/dp/1633883817).

 

This relentless drive to make more and more money, and to integrate more and more markets, and to import and export more and more, may have increased GDP, but it's also made the world much, much more dangerous.

 

Another part that worries me is that China, which is an unfree society with massive state power, tried to contain this, and failed. Hardly any countries have even half the state power or control of China, and most far less than that. If this spreads, via Chinese migrant workers, to places like Angola, where the government has little to no control over much of the country, and no effective way of policing the high-density areas, then we could be looking at a humanitarian disaster. To be clear, I don't think this is going to happen, but it once again shows the fragility of the interconnected world and how pathetically unable we are to deal with anything even slightly disruptive.

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I'm hearing anecdotally that many plastic goods are running low here in the US. It's probably a combination of decreased exports from China, and people hoarding in case of shortages down the road. As long as it's plastic trinkets, no big deal. So, what if it's medicine containers? What if it's the medicines themselves? The world's antibiotics are, with very little exaggeration, all made in China. 

 

Not to go too far off topic but this is an aspect of our society that isn't talked about nearly enough: the end of Western manufacturing is really not just an economic issue but an issue of life and death. We have no capacity to make these things ourselves. We are completely and 100% reliant on a sometimes-hostile foreign nation to keep our hospitals running, and we did these things for a quick buck.

 

The hilarious part is that businesses like clothing and electronics saw the flaw in this scheme long before health did. Supply chains in clothing are now far more diffuse and distributed in part because, okay, Vietnam and Bangladesh are cheaper, but also because a child could tell you that having a single supplier in a single city in a single country is a risky proposition. Seemingly our genius medical administrators didn't get the memo. (Or, more accurately, they did, but they didn't care to pay attention. See: https://www.amazon.com/China-Rx-Exposing-Americas-Dependence/dp/1633883817).

 

This relentless drive to make more and more money, and to integrate more and more markets, and to import and export more and more, may have increased GDP, but it's also made the world much, much more dangerous.

 

Another part that worries me is that China, which is an unfree society with massive state power, tried to contain this, and failed. Hardly any countries have even half the state power or control of China, and most far less than that. If this spreads, via Chinese migrant workers, to places like Angola, where the government has little to no control over much of the country, and no effective way of policing the high-density areas, then we could be looking at a humanitarian disaster. To be clear, I don't think this is going to happen, but it once again shows the fragility of the interconnected world and how pathetically unable we are to deal with anything even slightly disruptive.

The bit in bold, the Chinese are really smart as fuck. They corner the market in creating epidemics and theyve also cornered the market in creating the antidotes too.

 

Anyway,

 

There is really a simple solution here to that problem:

 

1) America has loads of Chinese people.

2) The world's oceans are full of plastic.

3) Get your own Chinese people to make all your plastic crap out of recycled plastic fished out the oceans.

 

Make America Great again. :)


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90% of the plastic in the oceans comes from river systems in Asia and Africa, incidentally, and a plurality of that is from China.


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90% of the plastic in the oceans comes from river systems in Asia and Africa, incidentally, and a plurality of that is from China.

They should charge Chinese people 20p per carrier bag in Sainsburys then, and give everyone else theirs for 10p.


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Three Juventus players test positive for coronavirus.

 

Horrible cheating bastards.

 

ETA: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sammay/2020/02/29/breaking-juventus-in-lockdown-as-three-players-test-positive-for-the-coronavirus/amp/

 

 

It transpires that they weren't Juventus players. Still, Juventus are still horrible cheating bastards.

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The Scottish Coronavirus patient is called Harry and comes from Tayside.

 

Unfortunately it's not him.

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You do realise that the UK government is talking about inviting former doctors and GPs out of retirement to assist, as necessary. Just imagine Capitanus if you are required to head in for an assessment and an auld jakey in a white coat asks you to drop your trousers.

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Who honestly cares? Glorified cold.

The illness itself is almost unimportant. (I say that while acknowledging the death toll, which seems pretty bad in Iran.) It's the second-order effects, including those on large gatherings, large workplaces, and travel. And then the effects of those, namely decreased productivity and disrupted supply chains.

 

It's not the Black Death and its not the end of the world or anything, but the economic impact at this point can't even be guessed at.


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You do realise that the UK government is talking about inviting former doctors and GPs out of retirement to assist, as necessary. Just imagine Capitanus if you are required to head in for an assessment and an auld jakey in a white coat asks you to drop your trousers.

I'd happily piss on his face. Creepy old bastard.

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