Morton vs Stenny Scottish Cup

[TonFan]

32 minutes ago, vikingTON said:

Yet the Morton team traipsed out 5 minutes in advance, and then contrived to chuck in another goal from literally the next set piece cross. That is an outrageous failure of coaching as much as player responsibility. 

That's the 2nd post you've said that. Stenny were actually late out. The assistants had already done their net checks and standing in position waiting for Stenny and the ref to come out.

My initial point was that Imrie didn't actually do that much better with this same squad of shit players. 

Could Murray have done better organising the team for set pieces? Absolutely. Was the result embarrassing and unacceptable? Definitely. He has inherited a shit squad of players and I wouldn't judge him on that result. He may well turn out to be a disaster, only time will tell.

So, of course he needs help from the board to try bring in better quality. We've lost 2 back-up centre backs (which meant we had to put Wilson there when Moore went off injured) and a striker with no players coming in to replace them.

[LargsTON]

Was anyone honestly surprised at that result?  Its a sad day when you expect to lose to Stenhousemuir.  I've never felt more apathetic towards Morton than I do now.   Still, at least we have a club.  

[Mr.Blue]

29 minutes ago, John369 said:

One of those afternoons was it where the scoreline saying things but the performance maybe wasn’t entirely the same picture. Shape at times was there looking, energy middle in, and then suddenly goals happen and the game sort of goes.

 

Not all bad it was, because the effort still kept being, legs running and pressing kind of half, and the ball moving without really anywhere moving to. Moments nearly almost came, which on days other become something, but today didn’t football like that.

 

Credit must to Stenhousemuir go, taking chances when there, but for Morton it wasn’t a folding, more a drifting around. Positives you can find if looking — minutes in players, togetherness of group, ideas trying but not quite landing.

 

Hard is to explain it fully, one of those games you take things from, even if what things are you’re not sure.

You had the cheek to attempt and dig me up a while ago and question whether I actually attended a game and you're coming up with this crap? Get yourself and your opinions to fuck.

[John369]

33 minutes ago, Mr.Blue said:

You had the cheek to attempt and dig me up a while ago and question whether I actually attended a game and you're coming up with this crap? Get yourself and your opinions to fuck.

Someone obviously couldn’t be bothered to make the journey to Stenhousemuir today!

[Brian Skelton]

The club should fine every player and the management to pay for the fans that paid to watch that shite today.

[vikingTON]

1 hour ago, TonFan said:

That's the 2nd post you've said that. Stenny were actually late out. The assistants had already done their net checks and standing in position waiting for Stenny and the ref to come out.

My initial point was that Imrie didn't actually do that much better with this same squad of shit players. 

Could Murray have done better organising the team for set pieces? Absolutely. Was the result embarrassing and unacceptable? Definitely. He has inherited a shit squad of players and I wouldn't judge him on that result. He may well turn out to be a disaster, only time will tell.

So, of course he needs help from the board to try bring in better quality. We've lost 2 back-up centre backs (which meant we had to put Wilson there when Moore went off injured) and a striker with no players coming in to replace them.

Stenny were late out and we were early out. Which is all fine and well until the exact same organisational failure that led you to be 2-0 down in the first place - completely against the run of open play - then turns you into being 3-0 down and tie over on the very next set piece you have to defend.

In what alternate universe is the current coaching staff not responsible for that outcome?!

Right now on Sky Sports there is a gubbins sport called 'NFL', in which the half time break often proves critical when competent coaches adjust their team to the opposition, as well as the game situation they find themselves in. 

Imrie would not have lost 4-0 to a lower league opponent; I don't even think our caretaker crew would have done so. I have zero time for this squad bloated with useless sand dancers, but competent coaching of them results in a win today, never mind the actual and disgraceful margin of result. 

Unless you are suggesting that utter donkeys like Gregor Buchanan are actually hidden gems that were foolishly discarded by the club before- enough. We lost the game due to a parade of ridiculous set piece failures that have got nothing to do with the underlying ability of the squad. It's a plague on all their houses - back up centre back options are irrelevant to that.

Edited January 17 by vikingTON

[RossMcC1874]

1 hour ago, John369 said:

One of those afternoons was it where the scoreline saying things but the performance maybe wasn’t entirely the same picture. Shape at times was there looking, energy middle in, and then suddenly goals happen and the game sort of goes.

 

Not all bad it was, because the effort still kept being, legs running and pressing kind of half, and the ball moving without really anywhere moving to. Moments nearly almost came, which on days other become something, but today didn’t football like that.

 

Credit must to Stenhousemuir go, taking chances when there, but for Morton it wasn’t a folding, more a drifting around. Positives you can find if looking — minutes in players, togetherness of group, ideas trying but not quite landing.

 

Hard is to explain it fully, one of those games you take things from, even if what things are you’re not sure.

Shut it John you are just a helmet away and start thinking about who else non existent player joining us is. 

[Pedrodelawasp]

1 hour ago, John369 said:

One of those afternoons was it where the scoreline saying things but the performance maybe wasn’t entirely the same picture. Shape at times was there looking, energy middle in, and then suddenly goals happen and the game sort of goes.

 

Not all bad it was, because the effort still kept being, legs running and pressing kind of half, and the ball moving without really anywhere moving to. Moments nearly almost came, which on days other become something, but today didn’t football like that.

 

Credit must to Stenhousemuir go, taking chances when there, but for Morton it wasn’t a folding, more a drifting around. Positives you can find if looking — minutes in players, togetherness of group, ideas trying but not quite landing.

 

Hard is to explain it fully, one of those games you take things from, even if what things are you’re not sure.

Style this writing of, taken to forthwith a bin, ended experimentation hastily.

“Ideas trying but not quite landing” indeed.

[dunning1874]

I'm a bit concerned that 10 hours have passed since that game kicked off ,and I have still not received several hundred pounds in my bank account with a personal apology from Jackson Longridge.

[El gofer]

Murray in post match does accept responsibility on coaching and management.

But I am glad he is calling out a squad put together by the previous manager, calling out the leadership within the group, given that the experienced players, all but two are former team mates of the previous manager.

A manager who signed the current squad and deemed Longridge to be our defensive leader. In a back line including a player who has no experience of senior football, two fullbacks, one of whom many supporters questioned last season, and Dylan Corr.

With a forward facing group including someone who had the former manager as his best man, an injury prone striker who we currently are hanging out hat on who was a former team mate and also Michael OHalloran.

That's before getting to the sand dancing wide players.

 

It was pretty obvious given the evidence available, what Stennys threat would be. And we can talk about organisation all we want. But watching those highlights, the defending and desire to fkn stop someone heading a first or second ball was non existent 

And that issue lies at the feet of the players on the pitch.

 

Murray call out the lack of leadership.

Imrie rarely called out the supposed leaders in this squad. 

It tended to be Garrity, King, Wilson, Moffat. All players he gave contracts to this season incidentally.

But aye.

Let's blame Murray and hound him out.

 

 

[dunning1874]

5 hours ago, TonFan said:

Probably need to calm down a bit. Yes, it's criminal losing 3 goals to set pieces, but he's not wrong that he needs help with new players this window ASAP. 

Remember Imrie had 1 win in his first 13 league games, including an absolutely dreadful display at home to St. Johnstone.

We didn't concede as many goals when Imrie here, but the results and especially performances weren't great.

Yeah, regardless of who they are I expect the manager who had a fortnight with the squad to lower himself to bother his arse trying organise the defence. If we had Dylan Corr and Sonny Hart at centre back I would have been horrified at conceding three of the four goals. That was Ian Murray's fault and only Ian Murray's fault. I think there are heads being buried beneath literal mountains of sand here. 

The only debate about today is where it sits in the worst results in the club's history. It is unquestionably in the top five of the worst results in the entire 152 year history of this once proud football club. The serious contenders are today, Hamilton and Peterhead, and the man responsible for today opened with not even acknowledging that an apology might be necessary, but simply saying eh, ach it might less shit in a few weeks, nothing to do with his personal gross incompetence.

I'm genuinely glad that we appointed Murray when the alternatives were clownshoes like Rankin and McPake, but he has absolutely humiliated himself and I expect a grovelling apology and massive improvement if he wants to see February.

That was the kind of performance and result managers don't come back from, I think people are massively understating just how much of an abject disaster today was.

Edited January 18 by dunning1874

[AyrshireTon]

10 hours ago, LargsTON said:

Was anyone honestly surprised at that result?  Its a sad day when you expect to lose to Stenhousemuir.  I've never felt more apathetic towards Morton than I do now.   Still, at least we have a club.  

On the radio Jim Duffy said that our game was one he had picked out for a shock, only for Tom English to question whether it really was a shock.

[dunning1874]

7 hours ago, El gofer said:

Let's blame Murray and hound him out.

Calling for Murray to take some responsibility rather than hiding behind frankly ridiculous excuses about the squad not being good enough when we've just lost 4-0 to a League One team is not calling for his head. No one is asking for him to be sacked, we're asking for him not to bury his head in the sand about how much his own failings contributed to this abject disaster, so that we don't see a repeat in the massive league games we have coming up in the relegation battle.

A team conceding once from a set-piece can potentially be put down to individual errors from players that a management team can't legislate for. Any team conceding three goals from set-pieces in one game is evidently a terribly organised mess and that is always, always the manager's fault. There's a lengthy list of failures responsible for yesterday's result which aren't all down to him, but Ian Murray is obviously top of the list.

[RossMcC1874]

Looking at the form of both teams I honestly was skeptical about us winning.  

But it just shows you how poor we really are with a result like that, I am absolutely fed up paying to watch that shower of mercenaries constantly not turn up there is no likeable players we are gutless and have no grit or any game plan what so ever, our defending really is laughable what do we actually do in training? 

Its Murray 1st game and he has only had two weeks with the players but tbh unless he decides to get rid of the majority of that squad which obviously wont happen we are in serious bother.

You can call it just a bad day and a result but there have been far too many of them this season. 

[SpoonTon]

I do think that Storer needs to work on his command of his six yard box. The first goal in particular isn't like a low, whipped ball into the area - it comes down from a height right into his area. As a goalkeeper, you're not going to get everything, and you can end up looking a bit silly, but you can't stay on your line and leave everything to the defence. Comrie, Longridge, Wilson and others all lose battles for headers in the box, and this doesn't excuse that at all, but the goalkeeper has to play his part too. 

[RossMcC1874]

Had to laugh at Gillespies post match interview saying thats nowhere near the level the fans expect for a performance, no thats exactly what we expect from that shower. 

[Mr.Blue]

50 minutes ago, SpoonTon said:

I do think that Storer needs to work on his command of his six yard box. The first goal in particular isn't like a low, whipped ball into the area - it comes down from a height right into his area. As a goalkeeper, you're not going to get everything, and you can end up looking a bit silly, but you can't stay on your line and leave everything to the defence. Comrie, Longridge, Wilson and others all lose battles for headers in the box, and this doesn't excuse that at all, but the goalkeeper has to play his part too. 

I said this yesterday. Storer is a fantastic shot stopper but his reluctance to come off his line and command his area is something he needs to work on. Partick clocked it very early two weeks ago and stenhousemuir did yesterday. However we also need to look at how we allowed stenhousemuir the opportunities and how poorly we defended as a team in the lead up to the goals and the goals themselves.

I know I asked this on an earlier post but what is Buchanan's problem with us? He was giving it large at half time towards us and then when he scored his goal. A very angry man.

[Hands of Cowan]

11 minutes ago, Mr.Blue said:

I know I asked this on an earlier post but what is Buchanan's problem with us? He was giving it large at half time towards us and then when he scored his goal. A very angry man.

Someone's clearly disrespected his man bun during his time with us

[Mr.Blue]

21 minutes ago, Hands of Cowan said:

Someone's clearly disrespected his man bun during his time with us

[El gofer]

2 hours ago, dunning1874 said:

Calling for Murray to take some responsibility rather than hiding behind frankly ridiculous excuses about the squad not being good enough when we've just lost 4-0 to a League One team is not calling for his head. No one is asking for him to be sacked, we're asking for him not to bury his head in the sand about how much his own failings contributed to this abject disaster, so that we don't see a repeat in the massive league games we have coming up in the relegation battle.

A team conceding once from a set-piece can potentially be put down to individual errors from players that a management team can't legislate for. Any team conceding three goals from set-pieces in one game is evidently a terribly organised mess and that is always, always the manager's fault. There's a lengthy list of failures responsible for yesterday's result which aren't all down to him, but Ian Murray is obviously top of the list.

Dunning, I don't think he is hiding behind excuses.

He actually said that he would take responsibility in the post match interview but if you look at the three set pieces, first one is poor organisation, agreed. Second is someone not getting close to Aitken and Ballantyne caught under it. Third is Longridge having no idea where Jamieson is and then a shocker of an attempt to mark his man by makeshift centre back Wilson.

Leaders within the team posted missing. Longridge in particular as you have pointed out yourself.

Also there is our first choice striker missing athe target with great chande at 0-0 and then a poor penalty at 1-0.

 

Aside from Inverness game, it was as bad as anything served up prior to Imrie coming in.

Unfortunately Murray doesn't have Brian McLean, Alan Lithgow Oisin McEntee or Lewis Strapp to call upon. Not even a Michael Ledger. And definitely no Goze Ugwu, Gavin Reilly or Robbie Muirhead.

 

We are definitely favourites for 10th if there are no new players.