Imrie to Raith

[InverAlly]

1 hour ago, vikingTON said:

Imrie did a very good job as manager - and also did a lot of additional work and commitments that weren't required (see the evening with a Davies a few weeks ago. 

 

He did this "work" to line his own and others' pockets. These events were not ratified by the club and Greenock Morton did not benefit in any way.

[GiGi]

1 minute ago, InverAlly said:

Or has Bonar put pressure on the Board to get rid of Dougie for pissing away his budget and not getting the desired results? Have they done the right thing? I'm in no way defending the current custodians of our once proud club, I've made my feelings clear elsewhere, but getting compensation for a guy they would perhaps sack in the near future may have been a shrewd move.

Dougie Imrie was never the Messiah, he just had credit with the fans which was diminishing at such a rate that many, if not the majority, were happy for him to move on.

 

Let's call this a best case scenario - Bonar is still overreaching. The club sponsor, no matter how generous, can't be dictating football matters to the board. 

I'm also unhappy with the squad we've ended up with, which is no better than Imrie was working with for far less money, but my memory is long enough to know his preparation in the summer was far from ideal. No budget until the last second, his assistant who he relied on so heavily (and now working with again the second he leaves) whipped out from under him, no replacement - Davies isn't an assistant. 

It's not the worst time for him to move on all things considered but there's a way to treat people and the current board don't appear to understand it. If it were a choice between Imrie and Millen, or Laird and Robinson then the board would be out on their arses. 

[Jamie_M]

22 minutes ago, InverAlly said:

These events were not ratified by the club and Greenock Morton did not benefit in any way.

I'm more annoyed at MCT about that.

We are in a period with a promise of Dalrada doubling any funds raised by MCT. But all we have seen from MCT is a few messages asking for increased contributions and the release of another coin thing.

Said it when I saw that event advertised - MCT should have been orgsnising stuff like that to capitalise on the matched funding.

[Chicken_Soup]

24 minutes ago, InverAlly said:

He did this "work" to line his own and others' pockets. These events were not ratified by the club and Greenock Morton did not benefit in any way.

Building relationships between the club and the community/local fans doesn’t benefit the club in any way? There’s a lot of ongoing initiatives that could be scrapped if what you’re saying wasn’t total bollocks.

[dunning1874]

23 minutes ago, InverAlly said:

Or has Bonar put pressure on the Board to get rid of Dougie for pissing away his budget and not getting the desired results? Have they done the right thing? I'm in no way defending the current custodians of our once proud club, I've made my feelings clear elsewhere, but getting compensation for a guy they would perhaps sack in the near future may have been a shrewd move.

Dougie Imrie was never the Messiah, he just had credit with the fans which was diminishing at such a rate that many, if not the majority, were happy for him to move on.

 

Anyone actually wanting Imrie to leave or talking of sacking him is wild. You can spin various stats any way you like and argue managers who managed a top four finish for us were ultimately more successful because of managing one higher league placing, but for consistency of performance Imrie had a better points per game record at this level than any Morton manager since Tommy McLean.

At any club at this level, but especially Morton with our past track record, it's an unavoidable reality of football that you'll have more bad managers than good ones and most will end up going due to being sacked or mutually consented for poor results. That being the case, when you actually get a good manager you should do everything you can to keep them, because it's extremely difficult to keep getting appointments right and especially so when you're operating with a lower budget than your competitors.

Everyone agrees that 3 wins in 16 needed to improve but he should have been absolutely nowhere near the sack, the idea that we'd have been anywhere near paying him off is risible. If there'd been no interest from Raith and we'd sacked him on Monday for poor performance, the sack the board shouts in response would have been deafening.

[Rossco]

So did the board/laird/bonnar believe that Imrie was underperforming or was it a case of guaranteed money in the form of compensation for what was left in his contract?

Yet again we as fans are left with more answers we will never get. We have just lost our manager & it isn't as simple as manager getting an offer & leaving it is all cloak & daggers regarding a real reason for the exit.

[Greacen2000]

1 hour ago, InverAlly said:

He did this "work" to line his own and others' pockets. These events were not ratified by the club and Greenock Morton did not benefit in any way.

how much money do you think he made from a Q&A night at a local community centre with a capacity of about 100 people???  Hardly "lining his pockets". 

[Gordon Ritchie]

1 hour ago, GiGi said:

 

It's not the worst time for him to move on all things considered but there's a way to treat people and the current board don't appear to understand it. If it were a choice between Imrie and Millen, or Laird and Robinson then the board would be out on their arses. 

It’s not the first time they’ve treated people like this. The removal of Derek Anderson was described to me (by a parent of an academy player) as a “public execution”. The way Millen was treated was also unprofessional and disrespectful. And there’s more to come. 
 

[InverAlly]

1 hour ago, Chicken_Soup said:

Building relationships between the club and the community/local fans doesn’t benefit the club in any way? There’s a lot of ongoing initiatives that could be scrapped if what you’re saying wasn’t total bollocks.

To suggest the participants even considered community relationships as part of this is total bollocks. Everyone needs to earn a living and many have a side hustle which is absolutely fine, but don't flower it up as some great benefit to the club.

8 minutes ago, Greacen2000 said:

how much money do you think he made from a Q&A night at a local community centre with a capacity of about 100 people???  Hardly "lining his pockets". 

£22.50/ticket x 100 - hall hire and cost of pies, probably enough left over for £5-600 each for Gerry, Billy & Dougie. Not bad for a night out in sunny Inverkip. 

[SassenachTon]

2 hours ago, InverAlly said:

Dougie Imrie was never the Messiah, he just had credit with the fans which was diminishing at such a rate that many, if not the majority, were happy for him to move on.

 

Credit which was totally deserved. Regarding recruitment and the current run of results - if only half the rumours are true, then how the fuck is a totally demoralised and disenfranchised team manager supposed to motivate his players? It sounds like Dougie’s well out of this.

[TONofmemories]

For this to be a true account of what happened, the person recalling the events must have been there in person throughout it all. Otherwise, it's a version of events from second hand information. Sounds very much to me like its the latter. Whilst there's probably some truth to parts of the story, the truth will likely lie somewhere in the middle. 

Nevertheless, John Laird should be hounded out. 

[Chicken_Soup]

10 minutes ago, InverAlly said:

To suggest the participants even considered community relationships as part of this is total bollocks. Everyone needs to earn a living and many have a side hustle which is absolutely fine, but don't flower it up as some great benefit to the club.

£22.50/ticket x 100 - hall hire and cost of pies, probably enough left over for £5-600 each for Gerry, Billy & Dougie. Not bad for a night out in sunny Inverkip. 

Can’t speak for all of them, but I know one small local venue made a donation to the club with the money made from ticket sales for one of these nights. I paid a tenner a ticket to attend. Hardly room for £500 going into Dougie’s pocket off the back of that. 
 

You can just say you don’t like Dougie, you’re entitled to that opinion without baseless accusations of opportunistic money grabbing.
 

Personally, I want the manager of our club to make the effort to engage with fans, schools, local sports clubs, pubs, hotels, supporters clubs etc. It literally benefits the club. I also think it’s a huge ask, particularly with the demands of the role at our club and the lack of support that our structure provides for the first team manager, especially one that isn’t based locally, and it’s an ask that Dougie met.
 

 

[Cet Homme Charmant]

If, as has been suggested, Dougie's job was a risk (I've obviously go no idea if it was or not), then letting him go and receiving compensation rather than sacking him and paying compensation, could be interpreted as a smart move. You might even say they were doing him a favour. 

But it's all conjecture and hearsay, I doubt we'll ever know the full story.

 

[Cet Homme Charmant]

5 minutes ago, Chicken_Soup said:

 You can just say you don’t like Dougie, you’re entitled to that opinion without baseless accusations of opportunistic money grabbing.

Don't think that's what we said, to be fair to him

[SpoonTon]

19 minutes ago, Cet Homme Charmant said:

Don't think that's what we said, to be fair to him

What else would He did this "work" to line his own and others' pockets mean?

 

[DunTon]

14 hours ago, DaftTon74 said:

The WhatsApp voice message going round at the moment about Imrie’s departure is grim. (if true and not been fabricated of course). 

Is there a transcript of this anywhere? I don't want my opinion to be clouded by second hand statements of a (I assume) second hand statement

[irnbru]

27 minutes ago, Cet Homme Charmant said:

If, as has been suggested, Dougie's job was a risk (I've obviously go no idea if it was or not), then letting him go and receiving compensation rather than sacking him and paying compensation, could be interpreted as a smart move. You might even say they were doing him a favour. 

But it's all conjecture and hearsay, I doubt we'll ever know the full story.

 

Regardless of that, if the stories are true it's a terrible way to treat an employee who's been through a lot lately.

If that's how they act then it can't be a good or easy place to work. These people should be supportive of employees but sounds like actively acting against them. 

[SassenachTon]

Where’s Bible John when we need him?

[Chicken_Soup]

28 minutes ago, Cet Homme Charmant said:

Don't think that's what we said, to be fair to him

He did this "work" to line his own and others' pockets.These events were not ratified by the club and Greenock Morton did not benefit in any way.

 

See above. That is a clear accusation of money grabbing opportunism. Which was, as was later established in this thread, baseless.

[TopCat]

I didn't think the swivel-eyed accusations of political bias towards MacPherson would be topped this season, but this 'Imrie the side-hustler' bit has been some effort.