GiGi Posted December 15, 2024 Share Posted December 15, 2024 6 minutes ago, LargsTON said: Ah the legacy of Rae. Fans conditioned to think this is the way it has to be. I asked this before when you said similar after the Ayr game - what's the alternative? Who wants to buy Morton and put more money in than is currently being done by MCT and Dalrada? I want more investment in the team as well but where or who is it coming from? The club is not in a good place at the moment but we're also not in the position that Inverness are in, and that several other gambling clubs in our own division will be soon if they don't stop making eye-watering losses. We're not in debt, we're trying to address the serious infrastructure problems that have been left by decades of neglect from the previous one-man-band ownership that caused it in the first place. 2 Peter Weatherson is the greatest player since Ritchie, and should be assigned 'chairman for life' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargsTON Posted December 15, 2024 Share Posted December 15, 2024 1 minute ago, bob_the_builder said: It can really only be one of two ways. 1. The club is run at a profit/even keel/manageable loss, which we’re currently doing with no need for a single majority shareholder. 2. It’s run like Rae years, massive overspending every year with very little to show for it in the hope that the owner won’t look to rake any money back by any means. I know which I prefer. Bollocks. How do other clubs of similar size manage to get by and even progress to a higher level? You're getting the club you deserve. 3 "CORNBEEF IS A BELLEND" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Toby Posted December 15, 2024 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2024 47 minutes ago, LargsTON said: You and all your wee chums can keep championing this whole failing model til your hearts content, it makes no difference to me. I'd be there every week were it not for my shift patterns preventing me. My absence is fuck all to do with me detesting fan ownership. I never want to see the club I love lose, never. Dalrada are all that's keeping us afloat. Fan ownership has failed already. If we don't find new owners we're done for, simple as that. Sponsorship is a legitimate source of revenue that was sourced by MCT. If Dalrada is “all that’s keeping us afloat” then surely we should be shouting from the rooftops about the great work that MCT did by getting them onboard? That’s one of the great successes of fan-ownership, not one of its failings. If there were queues going down past the Norseman and starting at Arnold Clark, would you be saying that the only thing keeping the club afloat is its massive fanbase? If not, then why dismiss another revenue source that the club have managed to bring in? I’m interested in the wording of your post, though, in specifically your use of the phrases “your wee chums” and “the club I love”. Firstly, “your wee chums” creates a narrative of those you disagree with being daft wee children who don’t have the intelligence to see what you see, despite them giving far more compelling arguments in favour of fan ownership than you’ve ever given against it. It comes across that you wish to appear the wise old head that sees through this nonsense scheme while the naive weans clap away like seals, though your solution thus far has been “fresh investment”. At what cost? Give over ownership to another Hugh Scott type? Rack up debts like Douglas Rae did? Hand the Easdales the keys and have them demanding we give one of their offspring the number 9 jersey, while signing over the land Cappielow sits on to themselves and increasing their portfolio? Where is this great investment coming from, and what are we going to achieve with it? A season of losses like Raith just had to finish second and slump back to mid-lower table mediocrity? You’ve provided far more questions than answers, yet still you crack on and every time you do post on the subject, I cringe for you, because you’re far too stubborn to accept that you’re wrong, and those on the other side of the argument dispatch your case with consummate ease. ”The club I love” is another interesting one. It looks more like a club you’ve fell out of love with. I get it, I’m probably one of Morton’s more fanatical supporters, and you can take or leave them a bit more than I can, but it looks to me that you’ve reached a stage in your life that you’re sick to the back teeth of Morton, and you want everyone to know that. Work’s taken over, your daughter’s growing up a bit and her life is more important than yours. All legitimate factors in someone’s priorities changing. But you’re blaming the ownership of the club for you being disenfranchised, when the reality is that you’re just not as arsed anymore. You moan and whine about fan ownership killing any enthusiasm you had for the club when the reality is that in the halcyon days of having a rich owner, we weren’t any better off than we are now. We were losing money hand over fist and still bouncing about 5-8th in the second tier, but that doesn’t suit your argument. While I obviously hope it never comes to it, I’d be interested to see your stance if fan ownership does fail, and Morton go to the wall. Will you look to blame those who put their hands in their pockets and tried to make it work? Or will you accept your own role in shouting it down and discouraging people from investing without any reasonable argument? There are some who couldn’t care less about Morton, and wouldn’t lose a minute’s sleep over them going to the wall. While you’ve fallen out of love with them, I suspect you’d miss them if they were gone. Be very careful what you wish for. 2 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargsTON Posted December 15, 2024 Share Posted December 15, 2024 7 minutes ago, Toby said: Sponsorship is a legitimate source of revenue that was sourced by MCT. If Dalrada is “all that’s keeping us afloat” then surely we should be shouting from the rooftops about the great work that MCT did by getting them onboard? That’s one of the great successes of fan-ownership, not one of its failings. If there were queues going down past the Norseman and starting at Arnold Clark, would you be saying that the only thing keeping the club afloat is its massive fanbase? If not, then why dismiss another revenue source that the club have managed to bring in? I’m interested in the wording of your post, though, in specifically your use of the phrases “your wee chums” and “the club I love”. Firstly, “your wee chums” creates a narrative of those you disagree with being daft wee children who don’t have the intelligence to see what you see, despite them giving far more compelling arguments in favour of fan ownership than you’ve ever given against it. It comes across that you wish to appear the wise old head that sees through this nonsense scheme while the naive weans clap away like seals, though your solution thus far has been “fresh investment”. At what cost? Give over ownership to another Hugh Scott type? Rack up debts like Douglas Rae did? Hand the Easdales the keys and have them demanding we give one of their offspring the number 9 jersey, while signing over the land Cappielow sits on to themselves and increasing their portfolio? Where is this great investment coming from, and what are we going to achieve with it? A season of losses like Raith just had to finish second and slump back to mid-lower table mediocrity? You’ve provided far more questions than answers, yet still you crack on and every time you do post on the subject, I cringe for you, because you’re far too stubborn to accept that you’re wrong, and those on the other side of the argument dispatch your case with consummate ease. ”The club I love” is another interesting one. It looks more like a club you’ve fell out of love with. I get it, I’m probably one of Morton’s more fanatical supporters, and you can take or leave them a bit more than I can, but it looks to me that you’ve reached a stage in your life that you’re sick to the back teeth of Morton, and you want everyone to know that. Work’s taken over, your daughter’s growing up a bit and her life is more important than yours. All legitimate factors in someone’s priorities changing. But you’re blaming the ownership of the club for you being disenfranchised, when the reality is that you’re just not as arsed anymore. You moan and whine about fan ownership killing any enthusiasm you had for the club when the reality is that in the halcyon days of having a rich owner, we weren’t any better off than we are now. We were losing money hand over fist and still bouncing about 5-8th in the second tier, but that doesn’t suit your argument. While I obviously hope it never comes to it, I’d be interested to see your stance if fan ownership does fail, and Morton go to the wall. Will you look to blame those who put their hands in their pockets and tried to make it work? Or will you accept your own role in shouting it down and discouraging people from investing without any reasonable argument? There are some who couldn’t care less about Morton, and wouldn’t lose a minute’s sleep over them going to the wall. While you’ve fallen out of love with them, I suspect you’d miss them if they were gone. Be very careful what you wish for. I'm not reading all that. 2 "CORNBEEF IS A BELLEND" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Toby Posted December 15, 2024 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2024 Just now, LargsTON said: I'm not reading all that. Of course you’re not. Giving a quick answer to dismiss legitimate points as being far too boring is far easier than facing up to scrutiny. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TAFKAC Posted December 15, 2024 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2024 6 minutes ago, LargsTON said: I'm not reading all that. And that's part of the problem. Try reading it to gain an understanding of the other position. You seem unable to generate a credible case about why you prefer us bouncing between the leagues under a single owner who nearly killed the club off, rather than past three seasons of credible performance under fan ownership. A fan ownership that managed to source and deliver the Dalrada sponsorship. It's not perfect at Cappielow, but I'd take it over what we went through under Rae. I live down south and don't get to as many games as I'd like to, but this period has been the closest I've felt to Morton since I left in the late 80s. 9 "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargsTON Posted December 15, 2024 Share Posted December 15, 2024 8 minutes ago, Toby said: Of course you’re not. Giving a quick answer to dismiss legitimate points as being far too boring is far easier than facing up to scrutiny. Correct. I don't feel the need to in all honesty. I've made my position quite clear and nothing I say to you or you say to me will change that so I'll be on my merry way. 2 "CORNBEEF IS A BELLEND" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_the_builder Posted December 15, 2024 Share Posted December 15, 2024 20 minutes ago, LargsTON said: Bollocks. How do other clubs of similar size manage to get by and even progress to a higher level? You're getting the club you deserve. By taking option 2. Look at Inverness ffs. I guarantee you Livi and Partick will be up shit creek next season if they don’t get promoted. Our model is the way forward for clubs our size and after being almost as skeptical about it as you are in the outset, I’m glad we’re now essentially ahead of the curve for once in our existence. 1 here today, gone to hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted December 15, 2024 Share Posted December 15, 2024 4 minutes ago, LargsTON said: Correct. I don't feel the need to in all honesty. I've made my position quite clear and nothing I say to you or you say to me will change that so I'll be on my merry way. No, backing up arguments that are clearly flawed when those arguing against you provide a reasonable basis for their arguments, drawn from past experiences, the experiences of other clubs, the club’s balance sheet and performance on the park under fan ownership will never catch on. You continue to shout “fresh investment” without actually knowing where it’s coming from or what the drawbacks of that would be, but don’t think for a second that anyone believes your reason not to respond is anything other than your inability to, rather than your refusal on the grounds that you don’t see the need. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargsTON Posted December 15, 2024 Share Posted December 15, 2024 5 minutes ago, Toby said: No, backing up arguments that are clearly flawed when those arguing against you provide a reasonable basis for their arguments, drawn from past experiences, the experiences of other clubs, the club’s balance sheet and performance on the park under fan ownership will never catch on. You continue to shout “fresh investment” without actually knowing where it’s coming from or what the drawbacks of that would be, but don’t think for a second that anyone believes your reason not to respond is anything other than your inability to, rather than your refusal on the grounds that you don’t see the need. People can believe whatever they wish, I couldn't care less. "CORNBEEF IS A BELLEND" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted December 15, 2024 Share Posted December 15, 2024 Just now, LargsTON said: People can believe whatever they wish, I couldn't care less. But you do care, because you keep replying. You’ve backed yourself into a corner that you can’t get out of, yet refuse to allow someone else the final word, and by doing so, this whole episode makes you look more and more foolish. It’s sad to see, a genuinely good guy that has become so set in his ways that he refuses to open his eyes to others’ perspectives and so constrained by his stubborn belief that he can’t possibly be wrong, being reduced to this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CM48 Posted December 15, 2024 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2024 42 minutes ago, Toby said: Sponsorship is a legitimate source of revenue that was sourced by MCT. If Dalrada is “all that’s keeping us afloat” then surely we should be shouting from the rooftops about the great work that MCT did by getting them onboard? That’s one of the great successes of fan-ownership, not one of its failings. If there were queues going down past the Norseman and starting at Arnold Clark, would you be saying that the only thing keeping the club afloat is its massive fanbase? If not, then why dismiss another revenue source that the club have managed to bring in? I’m interested in the wording of your post, though, in specifically your use of the phrases “your wee chums” and “the club I love”. Firstly, “your wee chums” creates a narrative of those you disagree with being daft wee children who don’t have the intelligence to see what you see, despite them giving far more compelling arguments in favour of fan ownership than you’ve ever given against it. It comes across that you wish to appear the wise old head that sees through this nonsense scheme while the naive weans clap away like seals, though your solution thus far has been “fresh investment”. At what cost? Give over ownership to another Hugh Scott type? Rack up debts like Douglas Rae did? Hand the Easdales the keys and have them demanding we give one of their offspring the number 9 jersey, while signing over the land Cappielow sits on to themselves and increasing their portfolio? Where is this great investment coming from, and what are we going to achieve with it? A season of losses like Raith just had to finish second and slump back to mid-lower table mediocrity? You’ve provided far more questions than answers, yet still you crack on and every time you do post on the subject, I cringe for you, because you’re far too stubborn to accept that you’re wrong, and those on the other side of the argument dispatch your case with consummate ease. ”The club I love” is another interesting one. It looks more like a club you’ve fell out of love with. I get it, I’m probably one of Morton’s more fanatical supporters, and you can take or leave them a bit more than I can, but it looks to me that you’ve reached a stage in your life that you’re sick to the back teeth of Morton, and you want everyone to know that. Work’s taken over, your daughter’s growing up a bit and her life is more important than yours. All legitimate factors in someone’s priorities changing. But you’re blaming the ownership of the club for you being disenfranchised, when the reality is that you’re just not as arsed anymore. You moan and whine about fan ownership killing any enthusiasm you had for the club when the reality is that in the halcyon days of having a rich owner, we weren’t any better off than we are now. We were losing money hand over fist and still bouncing about 5-8th in the second tier, but that doesn’t suit your argument. While I obviously hope it never comes to it, I’d be interested to see your stance if fan ownership does fail, and Morton go to the wall. Will you look to blame those who put their hands in their pockets and tried to make it work? Or will you accept your own role in shouting it down and discouraging people from investing without any reasonable argument? There are some who couldn’t care less about Morton, and wouldn’t lose a minute’s sleep over them going to the wall. While you’ve fallen out of love with them, I suspect you’d miss them if they were gone. Be very careful what you wish for. I did read all that (FFs, a whole minute or two) and agree with almost all of it. I’m old enough to remember a few horrendous campaigns like our last in the top division, or 93/94 when we had about 10 long term injuries and went down, or the collapse under Cowboy. Money or bigger crowds mean very little in terms of guaranteed performances, look at Falkirk over the last 5 years, but I reckon 1000 people keeping their eye on how the club is run is the best chance to guarantee there’s at least a club and team around to go and watch, part time or full time, no matter which league. Apart from anything else it’s a great umbrella for the Morton in the community team to work under. The stuff they do is so worthwhile and something all Morton fans should be proud of. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted December 15, 2024 Share Posted December 15, 2024 Fan ownership works, and it will work even better if we had more fans. Standing outside the tent pissing in is not going to help. If we had 2000 MCT members that would help but I suspect there are quite a few who are freeloaders, the sort who want admission for a fiver but are the first to complain when we are not leading the league. 1 "Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest capitanus Posted December 15, 2024 Share Posted December 15, 2024 Morton sold their soul to the devil when they signed Alan Lithgow. They shall reap what they sow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted December 15, 2024 Share Posted December 15, 2024 15 minutes ago, capitanus said: Morton sold their soul to the devil when they signed Alan Lithgow. They shall reap what they sow. It worked for Livi, so it was worth a try. Seems like the devil favoured them though. Gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest capitanus Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 7 hours ago, SpoonTon said: It worked for Livi, so it was worth a try. Seems like the devil favoured them though. Gutted. Nobody really cares about Livingston though. Morton sold their soul to the devil when they signed Alan Lithgow. That is a real stain on our once proud clubs history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Blue Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 18 hours ago, LargsTON said: I'm not reading all that. Ignorance is bliss eh? The guy has taken the time to write a fair and balanced post at least have the decency to read it rather than chucking your toys out of the pram. 1 There's a storm on the horizon And for that I can't see the sun For I'll keep a waiting on the pavement For the ice cream van to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 Nothing says "damp squib season" quite like another match thread filled with bleating from our resident middle-aged misanthrope and the guy who spends his time begging folk to argue with him in general nonsense. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest capitanus Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 2 hours ago, TopCat said: Nothing says "damp squib season" quite like another match thread filled with bleating from our resident middle-aged misanthrope and the guy who spends his time begging folk to argue with him in general nonsense. Aye okay, I will take that. However, who is the 'middle aged misanthrope'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted December 16, 2024 Author Share Posted December 16, 2024 Pretty sure he's referring to LargsTon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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