Falkirk v Morton

[RossMcC1874]

[vikingTON]

12 minutes ago, Ashman said:

If imrie goes will we improve? If imrie stays then how does he turn this around? This decline in performances and results stems back to the Motherwell game and all of the issues with this squad were evident for us all to see in the summer. That’s us truly in free fall now 

We were in a practically identical predicament precisely 12 months ago, with a home Friday night shame game incoming. We also looked completely humped in December 2021 when Imrie took over. 

I think the manager should accept a substantial amount of responsibility - the desire to revise our playing style has clearly gone too far. We've lost just about everything that made us effective and worth backing since day 1 of Imrie's tenure, even in poorer performances. The inability to press and defend from the front of the team is risible right now and today has to be a breaking point for that. But the manager has shown an ability to handle these situations in the past and so I would keep him in position. 

What is needed is a wider level of scrutiny for the attainment goals and 'minerals' signing policy churned out in the summer by the GM. We as owners should be tracking performance towards those self-proclaimed goals and showing the door to the professional bullshit merchants who have already been found out. 

Edited November 2 by vikingTON

[TRVMP]

With the very debatable exception of McGlynn I can't think of another manager in the division I'd take ahead of Imrie to get us out of this mess. That's not to say there's not another wild card like Imrie out there. It's to say that he's pulled us out of the mud before. He's not just a flash in the pan - he's actually got a track record. But I admit it's a risk. 

[SassenachTon]

From what I've been reading above, I'd like to remind some of the knee-jerk roasters that every team needs their supporters to keep their faith when they're at their lowest. It's exactly during the low times like these when our teams need our support the most. 

This post started as a huge essay about Dale, Dougie, budgets and all sorts of other stuff - but I then deleted it because none of us - NONE OF US - really have the faintest idea what goes on behind the scenes at Cappielow. None of us have the slightest insight into finances, budgets, pressures, constraints, whatever. And it was that uninformed guesswork which I deleted because it was exactly that. Uninformed guesswork.

We may be shite just now, but Morton's our team. Support should remain support. Through thick and thin.

Mon eh Ton.

Edit from my original rant which I think needs saying again = Dale seems to be the epitome of a classic 2024 corporate climber who's made all the right noises, shaken all the right hands, appeared in the choicest photo-opportunities, produced all the right soundbites and slogans - but has ultimately delivered very little, if anything. Morton are nothing more than a notch on his CV bedpost, and @Toby isn't the only one whose emails have gone unanswered. Having spent half a lifetime working alongside people like this (who are all now seemingly CEO's of multinationals with these posts being their 30th job in 20 years), it's a microcosm of modern business practise. What a shame our gullible Board got sucked in.

Edited November 2 by SassenachTon

[vikingTON]

Airdrie losing 0-4 and Dunfermline losing at home too means that on paper at least, we're actually in a slightly better position at the end of play than before. But that's literally it for this piss-poor campaign: there will be absolutely nothing more in the table than trying to scrape 8th, score a meagre handful of points away from home and almost certainly dumped out of all cups before the Advent calendar is opened. 

That's excluding the impact that such a heavy and unacceptable defeat could have going forward of course, but we are very fortunate to have two wretched (and unstable at boardroom level in Dunfermline's case) outfits propping things up.

[GiGi]

It looks like Imrie took a lot of the criticism about our playing style to heart and tried to change it to suit himself and his detractors. Afraid with the lowest budget in the league or next to, building some free flowing style with a bunch of identical sanddancers, who can't score for the life of them, was always likely to leave us struggling. Give me a team that's effective over this absolute pish.

Remains to be seen if we can write today off because of the injuries and suspensions situation but we are clearly in trouble now.

[LargsTON]

A shambolic summer of signings has finally come home to roost and Imrie should rightly fall on his sword although clearly our problems run much deeper than the manager.  Why can't Morton be a competent outfit even for one season both on and off the park?  There's always a festering turd somewhere in the building.

[vikingTON]

43 minutes ago, SassenachTon said:

From what I've been reading above, I'd like to remind some of the knee-jerk roasters that every team needs their supporters to keep their faith when they're at their lowest. It's exactly during the low times like these when our teams need our support the most. 

This post started as a huge essay about Dale, Dougie, budgets and all sorts of other stuff - but I then deleted it because none of us - NONE OF US - really have the faintest idea what goes on behind the scenes at Cappielow. None of us have the slightest insight into finances, budgets, pressures, constraints, whatever. And it was that uninformed guesswork which I deleted because it was exactly that. Uninformed guesswork.

We may be shite just now, but Morton's our team. Support should remain support. Through thick and thin.

Mon eh Ton.

If you want to practice faith, go to a church*.

GMFC is a professional football club with full-time, paid employees, whose wages are taken directly from supporters' pockets as 1) customers and 2) capital investment as owners of the club. 

That doesn't mean that angry fans should be razing everything to the ground every two minutes, but it is categorically not the job of supporters to just 'back the club'. The club needs to demonstrate something that is worth backing from the stands. And if individuals show zero evidence or track record of doing that, then they should be shown the door promptly. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*(other organised religious temples are available too). 

Edited November 2 by vikingTON

[Drew Busby's Moustache]

11 minutes ago, TRVMP said:

With the very debatable exception of McGlynn I can't think of another manager in the division I'd take ahead of Imrie to get us out of this mess. That's not to say there's not another wild card like Imrie out there. It's to say that he's pulled us out of the mud before. He's not just a flash in the pan - he's actually got a track record. But I admit it's a risk. 

My thoughts also but he's got a hell of a job to lift the dressing room before next Friday.

[Tubes]

I think he carries the can for the awful signing of ineffective strikers. But generally there is or should be enough in this squad once they are actually all fit and he can field his strongest 11. 

We really miss the high press and when we have done it in little bits of games we have always looked more promising. We really need to change this current style of play until we have our full strength team, or find a style that suits what we have got at present.

I hate the fact we’ve imploded away to those cunts but hopefully nothing drastic is done in terms of Dougie’s position because I am convinced he will turn it round when our injuries clear up. Missing two keepers, our two best players (Ballantyne & Wilson), potentially our first choice centre half pairing in Boyes and Corr, and a starter in Shaw. 

 

Edited November 2 by Tubes

[HamCam]

After today's result no doubt there will be a number of over-emotive posts inviting Imrie to move on. The problem is if Imrie goes whoever comes in also has to work with a gutless squad of ineffective footballers who are low on confidence. Sadly there is no easy answer. That though is no justification for the self-righteous happy clappers to instruct their fellow fans to keep impersonating seals. At the very least I hope Imrie does not insult us by maintaining in interviews we are playing attractive football and only under-achieving due to injuries and dodgy officiating. If I was offered 8th in the season now I would bite your hand off. We are a depressing watch.

[Scott]

On 10/30/2024 at 11:39 AM, Scott said:

Didn’t like Imrie’s tone talking about Wilson’s red card saying it’s “killed us” for Falkirk away. We all know it’s going to be tough but it’s not great when the manager has thrown the towel in 4 days before kick off. 

Didn’t have much hope for today after Imrie’s comments on Tuesday. Fully expected a riding before kick off, and that’s exactly what we got. I can’t say there’s one player in that team that shows any leadership, every single one of them folded as soon as the 3rd went in. 

[RossMcC1874]

6-0 that will take a while to sink in not 3 or 4 but 6 fucking shambles. 

Very interesting to hear the post match interview. 

[vikingTON]

1 hour ago, SassenachTon said:

Edit from my original rant which I think needs saying again = Dale seems to be the epitome of a classic 2024 corporate climber who's made all the right noises, shaken all the right hands, appeared in the choicest photo-opportunities, produced all the right soundbites and slogans - but has ultimately delivered very little, if anything. Morton are nothing more than a notch on his CV bedpost, and @Toby isn't the only one whose emails have gone unanswered. Having spent half a lifetime working alongside people like this (who are all now seemingly CEO's of multinationals with these posts being their 30th job in 20 years), it's a microcosm of modern business practise. What a shame our gullible Board got sucked in.

Just saw this - I'd agree but would say that it's far more than just modern business practice; the Scottish public sector has a similar stratum of absolute chancers who reliably fail their way from one (six figure salary) post to another. 

[RealTonKid]

I fully expected a doing today, so will refrain from the TTG talk. My mind might change, if we get turned over in front of the cameras to a patchy Ayr side.

[Brian Skelton]

3 hours ago, HeidTheBaw said:

You know it’s bad when Oliver and Miller are scoring against you, but anyone shouting it’s time for Imrie to go is a fud. 

I am certainly not a happy clapper but we do have 9 players out injured so willing to give Imrie  a bit of leeway until getting most of these back. The question that should be getting asked is why for the 2nd season on the trot is why are we getting decimated with injuries.

Edited November 2 by Brian Skelton

[SpoonTon]

I think we can all agree that Ballantyne and Wilson have been two of our most important players this season - especially in a defensive sense. We only conceded 6 goals in the first 9 league games - we conceded as many as that today. 

I think that plan A for the season was chucked after 2 or 3 League Cup games. We then changed shape a bit and scaled back on the level of passing out from the back. The biggest problem in the league early on had come mostly from being terrible at scoring goals - we had loads of chances to win at home to Hamilton, we had clear chances to take the lead down at Ayr, we had several chances to go ahead on Tuesday (just for a few examples). Adding a weakened midfield and defence to that has contributed to what happened today. 

I felt near the start of the season that Lyall should be moved further forward and either play alongside Moffat or be competition for his place, that we needed another defensive midfielder, that we needed better cover at right back, and that we needed a bigger presence at centre forward. I pretty much still feel the same way. Signing McGinn and Samuels feels more like Imrie trying to make up for messing up attacking signings rather than trying to build on the squad we had and fill some of the holes. 

We'll be much better when we can get a near full squad back, but until then our weaknesses will continue to be exposed. 

[vikingTON]

16 minutes ago, SpoonTon said:

 

I think that plan A for the season was chucked after 2 or 3 League Cup games. We then changed shape a bit and scaled back on the level of passing out from the back. 

Erm, we spent the entirety of Tuesday night's game insisting on passing it from the back. That this passing too often occurs at a glacial pace and with zero connection - at least after 0-1 - between the back four/Wilson and a line of 5 players hiding 30 yards up the park from them are two of the key reasons why we're stinking the place out right now. 

I don't disagree with your personnel points other than to argue that Lyall is overrated and simply shouldn't be playing, though we can certainly add Moffat into that bracket too. Lyall's CV is as padded as our GM - if 'Rangers' weren't on it, then he would already be sliding down to East Kilbride's current level.

Perhaps he'll manage that with us unless we jettison these Joe McKee-esque sand-dancers. Although I'm genuinely unsure as to which side of that comparison should be offended right now. 

[SassenachTon]

2 hours ago, vikingTON said:

If you want to practice faith, go to a church*.

GMFC is a professional football club with full-time, paid employees, whose wages are taken directly from supporters' pockets as 1) customers and 2) capital investment as owners of the club. 

That doesn't mean that angry fans should be razing everything to the ground every two minutes, but it is categorically not the job of supporters to just 'back the club'. The club needs to demonstrate something that is worth backing from the stands. And if individuals show zero evidence or track record of doing that, then they should be shown the door promptly. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*(other organised religious temples are available too). 

Fair enough VT - but my post wasn't intended to come across as evangelical - it was just a 'chins up, laddies' reminder I felt needed planted in the minds of every supporter of every team, at every level, in every country in the entire world. The endless-but-unpredictable 'feast or famine' rollercoaster. But FWIW I'm in complete agreement with everything you've said.

But I won't abandon my team.

Kind regards.

[Drew Busby's Moustache]

1 hour ago, RossMcC1874 said:

6-0 that will take a while to sink in not 3 or 4 but 6 fucking shambles. 

Very interesting to hear the post match interview. 

Just repeat what Jimmy Thelin says.