Jamie_M Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 37 minutes ago, gmfc23 said: I'd reckon something around £250,000 all in. Which is a massive boost to the club financially. Aye, that's like am extra 2 years worth of MCT contributions right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossMcC1874 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Not that it matters now but if we had won yesterday we would have had a home tie against the Midden. That would have been some game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, RossMcC1874 said: Not that it matters now but if we had won yesterday we would have had a home tie against the Midden. That would have been some game. Naw we wouldn't have - we would have been away to Dundee Utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 Dean, Alan and Craig discuss Celtic's 5-0 win in the Scottish Cup, VAR in Scottish football, and preview Saturday's home game against Arbroath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortonbug Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Despite the diabolical VAR decision which, as others have said, it seemed like absolutely nobody in the stadium understood, I came away from the match on Saturday disappointed at the eventual scoreline, but still feeling fairly positive about what can be achieved across the remaining half of the season. A sizable payday of around £250k will help the Club out massively. A few wise signings this week and I still feel we can push for a play-off spot and return to winning regularly again. 10 home matches left and potentially crowds staying above 2k again? A lot is possible if we can sustain that. Many fans drifted away over the years after all the bitterly disappointing false dawns, but finally it feels like folk that used to follow the team everywhere, and in some cases their kids, are coming to watch Morton regularly again. Like many of us, I left Celtic Park feeling really proud to be a Morton supporter. The vast majority of our fans stayed to the end and kept the singing going. It sent a really positive message to the players and it does feel like there is a togetherness and a genuine belief in Dougie. He clearly won't get everything right, but he has his feet on the ground and is pragmatic in the interviews. He's humble but has self-belief. This is night & day compared to when that apologist for failure Gus MacPherson was in charge only 14 months ago. After suffering through that defeat to Partick at Firhill at the start of October, it did feel like maybe the wheels were coming off. But the response was fantastic and it's just a shame that we had the two postponements that kept us away from Cappielow for 2 months. Felt like the momentum taken away. Some blips on the road haven't helped, but the terrible standard of officiating in the SPFL hasn't helped. Hopefully the next 3 and a bit months bring an exciting end to the season. It'd be great to think that going in to those last two home matches in late-April that we're still fighting for something. Hopefully no dead rubber up at Cove in Aberdeen on 5th May either! C'mon the Ton! "In a country lacerated by the sharp shards of broken brown-eyed promises, in a world bent low by the burden of disease, war and the price of Thunderbird, who is left to make full account of God and Britain's depleted moral mini bar? Yes, it's the surprising adventures of me, Sir Digby Chicken Caesar!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BishopTon Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Interesting that Kilmarnock vs Dumbarton did not have VAR in place for the tie. Just bounce if you hate St Mirren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 hours ago, BishopTon said: Interesting that Kilmarnock vs Dumbarton did not have VAR in place for the tie. It's not that interesting, - they weren't going to pay for it if they didn't have to as the rules allow. Shite setup - should be all games or no games though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 9 hours ago, Jamie_M said: It's not that interesting, - they weren't going to pay for it if they didn't have to as the rules allow. Shite setup - should be all games or no games though. The thing is, we shouldn't be talking about being disadvantaged because we had VAR. It should be a team who didn't get a decision because they didn't have VAR who should be claiming to be disadvantaged by an unlevel playing field. But we're here in a situation where VAR is just highlighting how bad the decision making of officials is in Scotland. We go from a referee one week who forgot who was shooting which way to the next week where the rules are applied in an inappropriate way because the referees don't know how to interpret what happens in a match - VAR can't help referees if they don't have a basic understanding of how to interpret situations in a match. As a side note, Scottish referees have had years to learn lessons about good and bad uses of VAR. It's pretty basic that they shouldn't be taking several minutes out of a match to rule on a very subjective decision. If they haven't even learned that, then I don't think there's much hope here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SassenachTon Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 I detest the whole toxic subject. That penalty decision was outrageous - but it's something which no-one (including every Celtic player and supporter at the ground) would ever, ever had seen were it not for the fact a video was then microscopically scrutinised in slow motion from every conceivable camera angle. Everything in life looks totally different if it's played back in super-slo-mo instead of the 0.1 seconds it took in real time. Every game has three officials on the pitch = if none of those three sets of eyes see something as it happens, then it didn't happen. Tough shit - the ref's decision is final and that's football. The games's somehow struggled by on this basis for over 100 years, and yeah - although 'Hand of God' stuff happens once in awhile, even now, I can look at a replay of that incident in real-time, and I'd swear that Maradona scored with his head. The job of scrutinising slo-mo videos belongs to the pundits after the game's done - not to the guy who can totally change the outcome of a game by making a judgement call on something he never actually saw because it was over and done in the blink of an eye. It's the worst thing which has ever happened to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EanieMeany Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Whilst bad officials don't help, the issue is absolutely VAR itself. It's a thing that could, if anyone anywhere really wanted it to do, be used in as close to non-intrusive a manner but it's clear by this point that nobody actually wants that...including, let's be honest, most fans. If VAR misses something relatively minor, everyone will go mental about it, so it follows that what they want is for every decision to be reviewed and games reffed twice. It's had long enough to prove itself in all manner of tournaments and it's been emphatically shown that it's cataclysmically bad for the game and needs binned. It doesn't matter if the decision is right if it takes several minutes to get there, and it doesn't matter if a goal is ruled offside by a bawhair in a technically correct decision after half an hour and everybody already celebrating. If you're destroying the rhythm and momentum of games and you're constantly interfering in the big moments, diluting the joy of celebrating a goal because nobody knows if some fanny in an office is going to be going out his way to rule it out a few minutes later, then it's no good. Bin it, concentrate on deprogramming and retraining refs everywhere and we can get back to watching games of football that aren't being ran as bureaucratic exercises by somebody not even in the stadium. AWMSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 I see the penalty decision given against Efe has made the letters page in the Herald. "Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappiecat 1.2 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Alibi said: I see the penalty decision given against Efe has made the letters page in the Herald. BRING BACK OLD HANDBALL LAW YOUR various correspondents have come up with a number of suggestions for improving the implementation of VAR in football (Letters, January 25 & 27). However, they ignore the elephant in the room – the actual rules of the game. By far the most vexatious issue with VAR is undoubtedly the award of penalty kicks for handball. The powers that be have come up with guidance that is so contorted as to leave VAR officials and match referees in total confusion over the issue. Decisions such as the handball given against Efe Ambrose last Saturday leave fans and pundits in a state of disbelief. The only way to improve this flawed law is to revert to it having to be deliberate handball. While this remains open to interpretation, VAR would assist in getting most calls correct. Otherwise, it should apply to handball in all circumstances, which would be manifestly unfair but there would be no arguments. Gordon Evans, Glasgow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_the_builder Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Cappiecat 1.2 said: BRING BACK OLD HANDBALL LAW YOUR various correspondents have come up with a number of suggestions for improving the implementation of VAR in football (Letters, January 25 & 27). However, they ignore the elephant in the room – the actual rules of the game. By far the most vexatious issue with VAR is undoubtedly the award of penalty kicks for handball. The powers that be have come up with guidance that is so contorted as to leave VAR officials and match referees in total confusion over the issue. Decisions such as the handball given against Efe Ambrose last Saturday leave fans and pundits in a state of disbelief. The only way to improve this flawed law is to revert to it having to be deliberate handball. While this remains open to interpretation, VAR would assist in getting most calls correct. Otherwise, it should apply to handball in all circumstances, which would be manifestly unfair but there would be no arguments. Gordon Evans, Glasgow. The bit in bold is exactly why these current rules exist in Scottish football. The stench of paranoia from the ugly sisters means refs can never use their interpretation or their integrity gets called into question if it’s a decision those two disagree with. As such, we have to deal with ludicrous events like last week. here today, gone to hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamOakTree Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 51 minutes ago, bob_the_builder said: The bit in bold is exactly why these current rules exist in Scottish football. The stench of paranoia from the ugly sisters means refs can never use their interpretation or their integrity gets called into question if it’s a decision those two disagree with. As such, we have to deal with ludicrous events like last week. True but there’s no confusion involved. Scottish Refs and the “powers that be” are now using VAR to pre-arrange and organise how they want results to turn out. Last week’s “penalty” was decided before the “match” even started. The first incident in Morton’s box was to be deemed a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, DreamOakTree said: True but there’s no confusion involved. Scottish Refs and the “powers that be” are now using VAR to pre-arrange and organise how they want results to turn out. Last week’s “penalty” was decided before the “match” even started. The first incident in Morton’s box was to be deemed a penalty. True. If I was trying to contrive results by deliberately making biased decisions, I'd definitely replay it over and over and show people exactly what I was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamOakTree Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 28 minutes ago, TRVMP said: True. If I was trying to contrive results by deliberately making biased decisions, I'd definitely replay it over and over and show people exactly what I was doing. They have to make it look as if there’s a decision to be made! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, DreamOakTree said: They have to make it look as if there’s a decision to be made! You're an absolute bumper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamOakTree Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, TRVMP said: You're an absolute bumper. I’d find it harder to believe he deliberated over it and believed that was a penalty, than if he’d decided on the spur of the moment! If that makes me a bumper then so be it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 5 hours ago, DreamOakTree said: True but there’s no confusion involved. Scottish Refs and the “powers that be” are now using VAR to pre-arrange and organise how they want results to turn out. Last week’s “penalty” was decided before the “match” even started. The first incident in Morton’s box was to be deemed a penalty. Did the voices in your head tell you that? What if there had been no accidental hand/ball contact? The referee looked at the video and deemed it a penalty. That’s just shockingly bad refereeing rather than some deliberate plot to help Celtic in a game they would have won anyway. "Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Dreadful contribution from DreamOakTree, here. Would not recommend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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