capitanus Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, so72 said: 19k is not a salary for a commercial manager/exec, would get a fresh faced graduate working as an assistant for that but nobody with experience is taking that wage. Even if they love Morton, that wouldn't support someone who has a lifestyle based on the average commercial manager/exec wage. Even just a quick google shows the average commercial exec wage is around £30k and a manager is £50k. That may be the case, but the phrase 'Commercial Executive' is one which encompasses a wide variety of roles, from a street pedlar right through to some high level positions at large companies. It is also worth noting that the previous five incumbents of this role - Lesley Ann Webb, Susan Gregory, Chris Norris, Gary Millar and Sandra Fisher - all had the title 'Commercial Manager' with the remit and salary to match, why should it be any different now? Are they looking to scale down this role? Edited January 13, 2022 by capitanus 1 *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post capitanus Posted January 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, TRVMP said: She seems very personable and quite good but we need someone to do more than just keep hospitality ticking over. We need a dramatic rethink of things like advertising and merchandise because they're not very well-packaged. I know we also do venue hire but it seems a bit of an afterthought (from where I'm sitting). Obviously you'll hit a point of diminishing returns - there's only so much you can do with these - but I don't think we're at that stage yet. And there's no reason why someone up-and-coming wouldn't take the relatively low wage and use it as a stepping stone. A young graduate looking to break into football administration could do a lot worse, or a non-graduate with a bit of a track record in a non-senior role who feels ready to take charge. Much like with a player, they can prove themselves at Cappielow and move on to somewhere better. If we go in with the attitude that we're just going to get rubbish and live with it because we're not splashing the cash then we deserve everything we get, frankly. The bit in bold, Lesley Anne done more than just 'keep hospitality ticking over', in fact she done a good job over the past five or so years and was a marked improvement on the previous incumbent within the role. The job could be a bit of a poisoned chalice in the respect that everyone has opinions on what should/shouldn't be done, there are a lot of preconceptions and misconceptions based on previous experiences - not only amongst the support but also within the wider business community; and its a high profile position - a lot of people will have a lot of opinions about how successful the new person has been, they'll expect overnight results, they'll become overly critical if things dont go according to plan - that is not the level of scrutiny that someone with a fledgling career should be subjected for the level of remuneration mentioned. I would suggest the opposite of what has previously been mentioned with a graduate looking for their first role etc. and say this job would be suitable for someone in the autumn of their career, perhaps 50+ who has been there, seen it, done it etc. and wont be phased by a lot of the challenges that the job may entail. Someone who is reasonably well off, maybe has a pension or other income, and for whom the salary mentioned isn't the big motivation.* Either that or they give the right candidate the right package. Its the old adage - if you pay peanuts then you attract monkeys. ETA: *No doubting that there will be someone at a golf club near you that fits the bill. Edited January 13, 2022 by capitanus 4 *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 16 hours ago, capitanus said: The bit in bold, Lesley Anne done more than just 'keep hospitality ticking over', in fact she done a good job over the past five or so years and was a marked improvement on the previous incumbent within the role. If she was doing more behind the scenes, good for her, but as someone with a real weakness for Morton merchandise, and whose email address the club is in possession of, I'm not exactly bowled over by her output. If that wasn't her job, well, fair enough, it's then not a criticism of her personally. But the club's been crap for years at separating me from my money, which I believe to be the remit of a commercial department. Hence my perception - possibly misguided - that things were just kept ticking over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitanus Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 6 hours ago, TRVMP said: If she was doing more behind the scenes, good for her, but as someone with a real weakness for Morton merchandise, and whose email address the club is in possession of, I'm not exactly bowled over by her output. If that wasn't her job, well, fair enough, it's then not a criticism of her personally. But the club's been crap for years at separating me from my money, which I believe to be the remit of a commercial department. Hence my perception - possibly misguided - that things were just kept ticking over. I never said she was perfect, and wont profess to know her as well as some on here may do, but she was an improvement on the previous person in the role. Also, if i recall correctly she was brought on board to deal with hospitality, but somehow found herself involved in the commercial side of things during Hawke's tenure in charge. Morton have always been dreadful at separating their natural constituency from their hard earned cash for some branded tat, in fact unless its someone shaking a bucket, GMST fundraisers, fundraisers for youth set-ups etc. we have failed miserably in that respect for many years. That is not solely the fault of the most recent incumbent, it has always been that way. *insert signature here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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port-ton Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Amazing what a decent manager, a couple of wins, improved social media and commercial activity can do. Went on to buy the glorious hat of the gods and parted with over £100 of my money on other shite. 2 Good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things, but only with religion do good people do bad things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bewilderedbeast Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, port-ton said: Amazing what a decent manager, a couple of wins, improved social media and commercial activity can do. Went on to buy the glorious hat of the gods and parted with over £100 of my money on other shite. A bit of effort is all it takes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONofmemories Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Hopefully a lesson learned. Content is much improved. Hopefully we don't revert to the old reactive measures as a result of fan backlash and start making genuine effort to increase revenue. TIME FOR CHANGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so72 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, port-ton said: Amazing what a decent manager, a couple of wins, improved social media and commercial activity can do. Went on to buy the glorious hat of the gods and parted with over £100 of my money on other shite. £15 to me feels like £100 this month but they are getting that from me. Not felt this good about Morton in ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Toby Posted January 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2022 Don’t want to sound too negative, but I’m astonished port-ton’s managed to find £100 worth of stuff that he’s interested in, unless he doesn’t already have this season’s two shirts. They know they missed the boat with the bunnet and Christmas, but the big issue to me is there seems very little communication between Smiths and the club. What’s the plan for the 100th anniversary in April? Was it the home kit and that’s the lot? Key rings? Pin badges? Beer glasses? Tee-shirts? Mugs? Let’s be honest, Smiths really have to up their game, and the club have to be monitoring what they’re up to. And while we’re at it, 1991-93 chevron home shirt can be the next retro top they release, this summer preferably. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
port-ton Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 46 minutes ago, Toby said: Don’t want to sound too negative, but I’m astonished port-ton’s managed to find £100 worth of stuff that he’s interested in, unless he doesn’t already have this season’s two shirts. They know they missed the boat with the bunnet and Christmas, but the big issue to me is there seems very little communication between Smiths and the club. What’s the plan for the 100th anniversary in April? Was it the home kit and that’s the lot? Key rings? Pin badges? Beer glasses? Tee-shirts? Mugs? Let’s be honest, Smiths really have to up their game, and the club have to be monitoring what they’re up to. And while we’re at it, 1991-93 chevron home shirt can be the next retro top they release, this summer preferably. Not bought a strip in 10-15 years. Always planned to get the centenary top but was so scunnered with the club that I never got around to it so got it there along with the hat and few other bits and bobs. Definitely still a lot of room for improvement on every area of the commercial side but happy that one step forward is being made compared to the usual three steps backwards. Good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things, but only with religion do good people do bad things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 19 minutes ago, port-ton said: Not bought a strip in 10-15 years. Always planned to get the centenary top but was so scunnered with the club that I never got around to it so got it there along with the hat and few other bits and bobs. Definitely still a lot of room for improvement on every area of the commercial side but happy that one step forward is being made compared to the usual three steps backwards. Fair enough- I just never see very much by way of “bits and bobs” as you put it. I’m a sucker for any sort of football collectibles etc. but there’s nothing that I haven’t got that I’d bother with, which would suggest to me that either I spend too much money on Morton-related tat or the selection is limited, to be kind. I think it’s the latter. Maybe I’m being harsh and I’m the exception to the rule that wants to see 12 different designs of pin badge of course, but I’d like to see how comparable we are to the likes of Ayr, Raith etc. Ayr certainly seem to have a lot more than we do, as well as a new shop, hub and bar at the ground. I’d also suggest using social media to punt things indirectly, too. I don’t know how many other clubs do it as I don’t follow them on Facebook, but every action shot Sheffield United put up links whatever kit they’re wearing in the picture to the club shop. Wee things like that are keeping your merchandise in folks’ conscience pretty much all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Getafe sell a wee model of their team bus. McGills should get on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
port-ton Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 27 minutes ago, Toby said: Fair enough- I just never see very much by way of “bits and bobs” as you put it. I’m a sucker for any sort of football collectibles etc. but there’s nothing that I haven’t got that I’d bother with, which would suggest to me that either I spend too much money on Morton-related tat or the selection is limited, to be kind. I think it’s the latter. Maybe I’m being harsh and I’m the exception to the rule that wants to see 12 different designs of pin badge of course, but I’d like to see how comparable we are to the likes of Ayr, Raith etc. Ayr certainly seem to have a lot more than we do, as well as a new shop, hub and bar at the ground. I’d also suggest using social media to punt things indirectly, too. I don’t know how many other clubs do it as I don’t follow them on Facebook, but every action shot Sheffield United put up links whatever kit they’re wearing in the picture to the club shop. Wee things like that are keeping your merchandise in folks’ conscience pretty much all the time. I don't think ive bought Morton merch since the pre smiths days so I'm probably the target audience of people the club want to entice to start spending their money, and if they can add some new and interesting products I'll be far more inclined now to do so than I would if the club were still showing signs of settling for bare minimum output in all departments. Ironically enough if the hat had just been on sale from the outset then I very much doubt I'd have bought anything yet at this point, including the hat. Good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things, but only with religion do good people do bad things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deego Posted January 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Toby said: Don’t want to sound too negative, but I’m astonished port-ton’s managed to find £100 worth of stuff that he’s interested in, unless he doesn’t already have this season’s two shirts. They know they missed the boat with the bunnet and Christmas, but the big issue to me is there seems very little communication between Smiths and the club. What’s the plan for the 100th anniversary in April? Was it the home kit and that’s the lot? Key rings? Pin badges? Beer glasses? Tee-shirts? Mugs? Let’s be honest, Smiths really have to up their game, and the club have to be monitoring what they’re up to. And while we’re at it, 1991-93 chevron home shirt can be the next retro top they release, this summer preferably. Agree. I’ve said before but I regularly have a look to see if there’s anything I can pick up but the clothing range (training and leisure) is really poor. Anything I might pick up is wildly over priced for what it is, so I don’t bother. Hopefully that’ll be improved though and I get the impression it will. The improvement in social media output has been excellent so hopefully this is next (or at least high up the priority list for the new commercial exec). On the subject of anniversaries, the club should start having a think pretty soon about the 150 years of Morton that is coming up. There’s bound to be great commercial opportunities there for generating some one-off revenue for the year, and there’s certainly an opportunity simply for “brand awareness” if you will. I’d like to see the club make a great deal of 150 years and try and somehow loop that into encouraging lapsed fans and potential fans into Cappielow. The crowds have dwindled depressingly from those of 15 or so years ago — it’s a good opportunity to try and rejuvenate some interest in the club. Fuck all might come of it, but you never know whose attention you might grab and turn them into a supporter. It’s potentially an interesting wee project so something perhaps a volunteer group could steer working alongside the club. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubes Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 £15 parted with instantaneously. Well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bewilderedbeast Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 There should definitely be a centenary pin bag or two produced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRVMP Posted January 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2022 The post seems to have been lost in a server move but a few years ago I was looking at this article on wikipedia: Oldest football clubs - Wikipedia . I broke it down to Association Football only, and then filtered out clubs that are lying about their date of formation (e.g. Crystal Palace), and amateur teams, and as I recall we were among the 20 oldest in the world if we take 1874 as the start date. There are those who say that the foundation of the limited company counts as the starting date of a club: I don't necessarily buy this in all cases and particularly not in the cases of clubs like Morton and Kilmarnock, which, while incorporated in their current legal form until 1896 and 1906, respectively, but can still show clear articles of association from their foundation dates. It does get muddy because then you have clubs like 1860 Munich saying they're from 1860, which is technically true because the current organization was founded then, but the football department didn't start until 1899. But what is clear is that Morton were founded as a football club in 1874 and enjoy an unbroken history to the present day, despite only becoming a limited company in 1896, three years after joining the Second Division. Point is, 150 years as a professional club is a hell of an achievement, something very, very few association football clubs will manage anytime soon, and should be commemorated when it takes place in 2024. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
port-ton Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 I'm sure it will be commemorated to be fair to the club. For me it would be a massive missed opportunity not to make a big deal of the club being a massive part of Greenock for 150 years and not just that we've been a football club for 150 years. I'd hope that there would be a real celebration of the club all around town but it's down to the club to make that a reality. It's a potential gold mine in terms of business and commercial opportunities compared to a normal year so I'd be hoping that they'd already be making plans/building relationships with local businesses this year in anticipation for it rather than leaving it to the last minute. 2 Good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things, but only with religion do good people do bad things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 24 minutes ago, port-ton said: I don't think ive bought Morton merch since the pre smiths days so I'm probably the target audience of people the club want to entice to start spending their money, and if they can add some new and interesting products I'll be far more inclined now to do so than I would if the club were still showing signs of settling for bare minimum output in all departments. Ironically enough if the hat had just been on sale from the outset then I very much doubt I'd have bought anything yet at this point, including the hat. It was on sale before everyone saw Dougie wearing it afaik. I saw a couple of guys wearing it at the Challenge Cup game at Palmerston and remember thinking I’d fancy it but had just bought a Scotland one. Agree with both Deego and TRVMP’s posts regarding the 150th anniversary. I’d hope there’ll be a book commissioned as was the case for the 100th and 125th anniversaries, but I don’t expect them to put so much into a project like that which won’t exactly be a big money maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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