port-ton Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 There's been at least three times over the past few months where Duffy has bemoaned us losing a lead or hanging on in his post match interview because they've sat too deep when he's been wanting them to push up a bit. A lot easier said than done though, especially when we have such a young team. We constantly go through 10-15 minute spells most weeks at all different times in the game where we can't get our foot on the ball and invite constant pressure on to us, so it's no surprise that this happens towards the end of the game when nerves are at their highest. It's a negative about this team amongst a sea of positives and has been since the first day of the season, but the good far outweighs the bad and it's a testament to their heart and commitment that they haven't allowed it to become a major problem this season because we've generally defended our box very well this season, including today i thought. Good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things, but only with religion do good people do bad things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Blue Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 I wasn't there today, but I don't think Duffy makes a conscious decision to sit in on a lead. You can see that in his body language when we do so. Just a consequence of the other team getting on top of possession. I'd say that is exactly what he does. In the 2 and a half years that Duffy has been here he has been terrific but one thing that we have been guilty of in the past is is going in at half time with a slender lead and coming out and defending for the whole of the second half and drop points because if it. I know that he has came out after games and spoke about how deep we were but surely it's his job to make sure this doesn't happen by discussing it with the squad, working on it at training and making tactical and personnel changes? Today was a prime example of this and for me has been the most frustrating aspect of Duffy's time here. Maybe I'm being harsh but I've had the same opinion since he first came to the club. There's a storm on the horizon And for that I can't see the sun For I'll keep a waiting on the pavement For the ice cream van to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdc Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 I'd say that is exactly what he does. In the 2 and a half years that Duffy has been here he has been terrific but one thing that we have been guilty of in the past is is going in at half time with a slender lead and coming out and defending for the whole of the second half and drop points because if it. I know that he has came out after games and spoke about how deep we were but surely it's his job to make sure this doesn't happen by discussing it with the squad, working on it at training and making tactical and personnel changes? Today was a prime example of this and for me has been the most frustrating aspect of Duffy's time here. Maybe I'm being harsh but I've had the same opinion since he first came to the club.I seriously doubt that - doesn't chime with his body language during games or his post-match analysis. ETA: I'm sure yet do talk about/prepare for it - but when a decent teams gets a grip of the ball, and you're tired, it's much easier said than done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 The problem today wasn't "sitting in"; Dundee United simply put us under a lot of pressure in the second half and we didn't have an effective out ball to relieve it. In large part because we simply have backup players playing in the forward positions. Shankland put in as much effort as he could but was ineffective as a forward today. You're going to come under that pressure at Tannadice; the issue is that we conceded a really soft goal. The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Especially hard when we're missing Oliver and Quitongo. Yes, that's what I was trying (but failed) to get at. I don't really begrudge a weakened Morton team being under pressure away to Dundee United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rin Tin Ton Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 We had this problem a while ago under Duffy. We'd go a goal or two up and then just drop tools seemingly. We stopped it, and look where we are now. Hopefully it isn't back. We did stop it, Jim even started doing tactical substitutions. Maybe today was an aberration. With the two pushing forward, I just don't think we need to back off, but it was easy for me today of course, nowhere near Marmalade City. ... proud to be apart from the groupthink tree ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 The front two weren't pushing forward enough to stop Dundee United retaining the ball and attacking again. Shankland isn't quick enough to apply serious pressure to the defenders. The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainMorton Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Being pinned back away at the home of one of the League favourites with limited attacking options is hardly a surprise. No need for the over analysis. This. I don't think there was much else we could have done in the second half today, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrodelawasp Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Duffy at 6/1 to replace McGhee. Behind Stephen Robinson and Simo Valakari. I don't know who they are, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Would Motherwell be prepared to pay up compensation? There's also a risk he could take over and they could still go down whilst we can still get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesh Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Was it not mentioned a few weeks back on here that the only top flight club we could see Duffy going to was Motherwell? Im making perfect sense, your just not keeping up.My Twitter - https://twitter.com/RJChesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madton Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I'd honestly be surprised if Duffy moved to Motherwell for what is a very real relegation dog fight. If Motherwell were 10-12 clear of the drop, I could absolutely see him going for it but he seems to be really enjoying it here, will feel very confident about the play offs and seems to have great respect for Rae etc so I just can't see him moving right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 The timing is poor. If this was June and he'd just guided us into the playoffs (whether we went up or not), and Motherwell were safe, there'd be a decent case for him going (bigger budget etc). Coming now, with us still fighting for the playoffs, and them still fighting relegation, it's a big risk to take (that could see him out of a job come the summer if it doesn't go well with his stock damaged). Can't see him going just now (if Motherwell even want him). If Robinson gets the gig until the end of the season, then we should have more reason to be concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoodless Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I can only see Duffy managing in the Premier League again if it's with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 The timing is poor. If this was June and he'd just guided us into the playoffs (whether we went up or not), and Motherwell were safe, there'd be a decent case for him going (bigger budget etc). Coming now, with us still fighting for the playoffs, and them still fighting relegation, it's a big risk to take (that could see him out of a job come the summer if it doesn't go well with his stock damaged). Can't see him going just now (if Motherwell even want him). If Robinson gets the gig until the end of the season, then we should have more reason to be concerned. Do managers really take that type of approach though? It's like Robbie Neilson joining a relegation battle at MK Dons or Jack Ross joining a winless St Mirren - both left clubs in a very good position where they could have built on their reputation. Even when there's a real risk that it could go wrong very quickly, managers nearly always make the move to the bigger club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Do managers really take that type of approach though? It's like Robbie Neilson joining a relegation battle at MK Dons or Jack Ross joining a winless St Mirren - both left clubs in a very good position where they could have built on their reputation. Even when there's a real risk that it could go wrong very quickly, managers nearly always make the move to the bigger club. Both had more than 2/3 months to turn it around and had a transfer window though. Duffy would be stuck with that squad at Motherwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Both had more than 2/3 months to turn it around and had a transfer window though. Duffy would be stuck with that squad at Motherwell. I still think you're looking a type of logic which usually doesn't rule the decision making of managers when an approach is made. Managers seldom turn down the opportunity to make a move up - bigger salary, bigger budget, better chance of higher division next season, more media exposure, etc.. I think more than anything managers know that football is a fickle business and opportunities to move up can be few and far between, so they grab any such opportunity that comes along. I don't think that Motherwell would make a move for Duffy right now, but if they did I think Duffy would take it. I can't be sure, because there are a number of factors that I simply don't know about, but generally speaking a manager will pretty much always make that move - despite many fans thinking that it's an illogical decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Toon Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Jim Duffy is in the first year of a two year contract and while I'm sure Mr Rae wouldn't stand in his way if a really big move came along going to a fan owned club like Motherwell would not come into that category. I don't expect Jim to be going anywhere soon. I certainly hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaunTon Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 The one thing that JD has proved over the last couple of years is that he believes in himself, He'll also believe he has what it takes to get more out of a struggling Well outfit than they've showed so far. If the opportunity comes along to manage in the top league he'd be daft to give it a miss, given how the odds are stacked against championship sides getting promoted. Hope he proves to be a bit daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdc Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Maybe 2+2=5 but the timing of Valakari's departure from SJK maybe puts him in the frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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