vikingTON Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 https://soundcloud.com/tellhimhespele/episode-three-david-irons Davie Irons has provided a massively entertaining account of our esteemed chairman, snakes like James Grady and the inner workings of this once-proud football club, based on his spell in charge, from about 20:00 onward in this interview. A very damaging account for the happy-clappers who insisted at the time that Irons was the problem, not the club or certain senior players, that Irons's methods were injuring players, among similar slurs upon a manager who, even considering his strong personal sense of victimhood, clearly displays more sense than anyone else to have walked into Cappielow in a meaningful capacity in the past decade. One only wonders how a failed manager plucked from the wilderness like Jim Duffy is dealing with such a "very difficult character" like Rae right now. The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are
Bawheid Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 and you say I post Phishh, next time you look in the mirror use a cutlass, closer to the bone the better. eat drink and be merry for tommorrow you may be radioiactive
TRVMP Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 Irons needed to go when he did, in my view - in fact I called in to Jim Traynor's show (before he went full Sevco) on the way home from the Raith game that proved to be his last to make that very point. It would be revisionism to say that wasn't the case, because while Grady turned out to be an even worse manager, on Irons' form we wouldn't have stayed up. I've listened to the interview. Obviously this is going to be something of a self-serving account. But bloody hell, what an indictment of how things are done at Cappielow. Rae wanted in the dressing room? There were always rumours of that, and I knew it used to happen circa 2004, but for it still to be happening in 20-bloody-10 like we're some lower-league Italian team or something... mind-blowing stuff. In terms of how Irons' achievements are viewed within football, that's always been of interest to me. I remember not long after Irons was punted Ian McCall was in the media saying "a lot of people needed to look at themselves" for how they described him. At that time I thought he was talking about the fans, but now I'm starting to wonder. Was it DDF he was talking about? Irons, but. I think it says a lot that he's out of the game now, frankly. Still, I feel a bit bad for him listening to this. He sounds older than 53. Not a bad guy but I don't think he was right for us in the end. Towards the end of his tenure here we were truly, truly awful and even he admitted that we had four losses out of five in his last season. And as he acknowledges, Rae isn't the only difficult chairman in the country to work for. I guess you need a certain type of manager (e.g. McInally) to work with a guy like Rae. Good to hear Irons knows Collins is a talentless snake, mind One thing he said really resonates, though. Irons said nobody at Morton stood up to DDF Rae. That's exactly right, and that's exactly why we are where we are. edit: wonder which director he's talking about when he says he's made a lifelong friend who told him what was going on?
vikingTON Posted March 19, 2015 Author Posted March 19, 2015 and you say I post Phishh, next time you look in the mirror use a cutlass, closer to the bone the better. Ensure that your account ceases alongside your club next time, cheers. The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are
vikingTON Posted March 19, 2015 Author Posted March 19, 2015 Towards the end of his tenure here we were truly, truly awful and even he admitted that we had four losses out of five in his last season. I'd like to know who sanctioned the return of Grady and McManus to the playing squad that summer, because on the basis of that interview, I don't think that it was Irons. And while Irons certainly had to go after the Raith game, it was also fairly clear that there was something going on behind the scenes which played a major role in those abysmal showings. Obviously in September it's far easier and therefore preferable to remove the manager to settle that issue rather than certain players, but it doesn't denigrate from a good record prior to Rae and his protégés undermining his position at the club. It's also notable that despite being contrasted with a Lucozade-guzzling Walter Mitty like Brooks Mileson, Rae still manages to emerge as an unparalleled control freak. Not sure who the mystery director is who seemingly backed Irons against Rae's version of events, but kudos to them for presumably saving us from Rae's complete interference in the first team. . The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are
vikingTON Posted March 19, 2015 Author Posted March 19, 2015 The early Gretna part of the interview also exposes puffing failures like, erm, Sevco and ourselves among others, for failing to build an effective squad with the budget available and for the level required; an issue that neither Irons nor Alexander ever had an issue with. I have little doubt that either Irons or Alexander with a supportive board would have made short work of this particular campaign. The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are
TRVMP Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 Jeremy Irons would have made short work of this division. To address your previous post, that's a good point. Something presumably happened between April and August that saw the squad calibrated in a certain way - presumably to Rae's liking.
LargsTON Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 and you say I post Phishh, next time you look in the mirror use a cutlass, closer to the bone the better. This could turn into the most interesting thread and debate in years yet this is your response? Fuck off, Bigot. "CORNBEEF IS A BELLEND"
LargsTON Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 As for the interview, I'll comment once I've listened to it. "CORNBEEF IS A BELLEND"
HamCam Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 Very interesting interview. Damning indictment of life at Cappielow and of the micro management of DDFR. That said Irons comes across as a bitter twisted individual looking to blame everyone for his own failings - always the victim - happy to shyte on Alexander, Threave, Stenny,the police etc. Telling that for all his self-proclaimed honesty, integrity and qualities and vision as a manager the world of football does not fully appreciate him and no-one has come calling again to pluck him from the obscurity of his role in Z Cars. A total self-obsessed zoomer. As for DDFR just more confirmation of his inability to keep his nose out of football matters. The stories of his team talks would make you cringe.
SramTon Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 A strong sense of personal victimhood is putting it mildly. Everything is/was someone else's fault. Morton, Threave, Carlisle, Partick (not mentioned in interview) all left under a cloud due to someone else; of course, it was the Police breaking their agreement that led to him having to leave Stenny. I'm not going to condone Grady for a second. As soon as Grady joined the Club one of my colleagues made a remark to me about how long it would be before "Birdy" was chirping in the Chairman's ear, and so it proved. But Karma's a bitch. Of course, Iron's is completely baffled that Alexander (who he admits wasn't ill) was a bit aggrieved at Iron's "doing a Grady" at Gretna. The only thing in the interview that really surprised me was his praise for Dominic Shimmin, who seemed to be completely out of the picture (or have taken himself out of the picture) under Irons. As for Irons as a manager, I remain unconvinced. He managed to get Alexander's Gretna team over the line, and he managed to keep a not too bad Morton team (significantly strengthened by the signings of Wake, Jenkins and McGuffie shortly prior to Iron's joining) up by the skin of his teeth. I remember in Irons' first interview as Morton boss he was asked to identify where the squad needed improvement, he replied that we lacked natural full-backs. He then proceeded to do nothing to rectify this throughout the entirety of his tenure with us; which makes the signing of Lee Kilday and no back-up look like a work of managerial genius by comparison. For all the (just) criticism of Rae for sticking his oar in, its ironic that one of Rae's biggest mistakes was giving Irons free reign with the budget after his first season. Still, I'm sure Iron's views the resigning of Kevin Finlayson (et al) as one of his big successes; if he doesn't I'm sure he'll I'll be able to blame it on someone else. Look at her riding pillions on Davy’s sea-bike, carrying an apoplectic macaw in a silver hoop. Oh, Morton, let’s go there this winter! Or learning the Japanese chinchona from that Kobe group, in a dress that looks like a blowtorch rising from one knee, and which should sell big in Texas. Morton, is that real fire? Happy, happy little girl!
Bawheid Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 Is largstonner and the vagina tool one in the same. Shadowing each other's posts hmmmmm eat drink and be merry for tommorrow you may be radioiactive
TaunTon Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 Your contribution is worthwhile reading as always Bawbrains. Fuck off.
HamCam Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 Your contribution is worthwhile reading as always Bawbrains. **** off.Chillax.
Davie McArthur Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 Chillax. Grrrrrrr............. MARTY OUT!!!!!
HamCam Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 Grrrrrrr.............Chillax bae - dinnae let the vagina tools get to you x.
TaunTon Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 Listened to the interview and it reminded me why I disliked Irons so much. A dismal tale of self pity and victimhood from a guy who is betrayed by the ungrateful at every turn in his 'career', while conveniently forgetting his record of loyalty. Dougie Rae is a longstanding and well known interfering micro managing clown with a habit of undermining his managerial choices. Irons must have been well aware of this before his signed up for job so not much point moaning about it after the event. As for Collins and Grady, they were his selections so no point whining about being let down and betrayed by the snakes he gave a berth to. Getting shot of Irons was the right decision given the money he spent and the appalling start to the season. Appointing Grady was cheapskate Dougie at his best and he spent the rest of that season repenting as Grady demonstrated his quality. His assertion that Morton will not progress until Dougie is no longer at the helm is correct though. But just about anybody who has witnessed this 10 year car crash could have told you that.
C B Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 One only wonders how a failed manager plucked from the wilderness like Jim Duffy is dealing with such a "very difficult character" like Rae right now. Its pretty obvious from his interviews, Duffy is kissing Rae's arse red raw !
SramTon Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 I can only imagine the relationship between Irons and Rae. Two egotistical (I just accidentally typed that as "egotestical", which may be more accurate) fantasists, unable to accept any form of personal responsibility. Rae blaming Irons for everything, Irons blaming Rae for everything. I've said it before that the criticism of Rae's interference in team matters (and most other criticism of Rae) is justified, but it would surely take the most restrained owner in footballing history not to question, for example, Irons' decision to play an 18-old-goalkeeper, with an almost geriatric retired player on the bench, in a cup tie against Killie when you have (whatever you may think of Colin Stewart) a fit, experienced keeper, on a full-time wage, who Irons signed little over 12 months earlier, out in the cold. Look at her riding pillions on Davy’s sea-bike, carrying an apoplectic macaw in a silver hoop. Oh, Morton, let’s go there this winter! Or learning the Japanese chinchona from that Kobe group, in a dress that looks like a blowtorch rising from one knee, and which should sell big in Texas. Morton, is that real fire? Happy, happy little girl!
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