Chesh Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Hopkin says gunning was desperate to come back. Hopefully means he might be here next season, if we stay in the league. Im making perfect sense, your just not keeping up.My Twitter - https://twitter.com/RJChesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Knew the signing was unlikely as he had played for 2 clubs but Pleasing to kbow we retain interest in him. Hope to fuck it wasn't a 'wanted Gunning, got McGinty' scenario as that's devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcintyre_gmfc Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Knew the signing was unlikely as he had played for 2 clubs but Pleasing to kbow we retain interest in him. Hope to fuck it wasn't a 'wanted Gunning, got McGinty' scenario as that's devastating. By the sound of it the deals not dead in the water, we’re still trying to find ways around it as Gunning is chomping at the bit to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 By the sound of it the deals not dead in the water, we’re still trying to find ways around it as Gunning is chomping at the bit to come back. Hard to think what any way around it would be unfortunately. Can we sign him as an amateur/CEO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Hard to think what any way around it would be unfortunately. Can we sign him as an amateur/CEO? Sounds like he left one of his clubs this season due to a financial reason at the club? Hopefully that might be a fair enough reason to sign for another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Lewis Hawke signs for Montrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunning1874 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 There’s not going to be a way round it. With a domestic transfer you can get round someone playing for a non-league club as the governing body can set a cut off for the lowest level they consider it to matter - the SFA couldn’t care if someone has played for 6 clubs already this season if they’ve been Highland or Lowland League clubs - but as it’s international it needs FIFA approval and there’s no way he’ll play for us or any other SPFL club this season. Brian Wake my Lord, Brian Wake Brian Wake my Lord, Brian Wake Brian Wake my Lord, Brian Wake Oh Lord, Brian Wake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoon Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Gutting. If he’s still available in May, get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles_Joe Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 It sounded like they are looking for his 1 appearance at Billericay to be void on the basis his contract couldn’t be fulfilled for financial reason. The owner of Billericay is a lunatic, think he owns some other mob now. Worth a look on YouTube, you’d think it was comedy writers behind it. An absolute cretin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONofmemories Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 That should be as good a grounds as any. 1 game and papped aside because they're doing a rangers. TIME FOR CHANGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I mean there should be a simple process to deal with these cases. Can't have footballers forced to sit out of the game for 6 months because one of their clubs is a basket case. Peter Weatherson is the greatest player since Ritchie, and should be assigned 'chairman for life' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I mean there should be a simple process to deal with these cases. Can't have footballers forced to sit out of the game for 6 months because one of their clubs is a basket case. Yes, you can. The rules are exceptionally clear. Ricay never went into administration - most of the talk of financial issues were blown massively out of proportion. It's not like Tamplin's eccentricity wasn't known when Gunning signed for them. He should have done his due diligence here, but didn't. Then he should have sought out a one-year deal immediately after leaving the club, but didn't. Don't get me wrong, if we can come up with sole sob story to get him available and sign him, we should. But morally it's Gunning's fault for taking the first two deals that popped up, which seems to be a recurring problem with him. It's not the rule's fault at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbru Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Yes, you can. The rules are exceptionally clear. Ricay never went into administration - most of the talk of financial issues were blown massively out of proportion. It's not like Tamplin's eccentricity wasn't known when Gunning signed for them. He should have done his due diligence here, but didn't. Then he should have sought out a one-year deal immediately after leaving the club, but didn't. Don't get me wrong, if we can come up with sole sob story to get him available and sign him, we should. But morally it's Gunning's fault for taking the first two deals that popped up, which seems to be a recurring problem with him. It's not the rule's fault at all. The rule might be clear but it's flawed. There's no real harm in playing for more than two teams in a season and it's not giving a competitive advantage to teams. I guess part of the reason is to protect players from being offered short term contracts simply to plug gaps but in cases like this it works against them of they get released for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 The rule might be clear but it's flawed. There's no real harm in playing for more than two teams in a season and it's not giving a competitive advantage to teams. I guess part of the reason is to protect players from being offered short term contracts simply to plug gaps but in cases like this it works against them of they get released for whatever reason. It's not possible to "release" a player under contract. He had his contract paid up to a level mutually acceptable to him and Billericay. You could say that he didn't have much of a choice, and that he accepted his because to do otherwise would be to run the risk of getting even less if Ricay entered administration. That may be true, it it's far from guaranteed. After this he accepted a short-term, non-contract deal St Solihull, which once again he chose without a gun to his head, and did so despite the fact he could have sought out a deal to the end of the season elsewhere. This was 100%, entirely his choice. Even if (and to me it's a very big if) the Billericay situation was so unusual as to merit a second look, this one wasn't. The rule exists both to protect players and clubs and makes perfect sense, and 98% of British players will go a whole career without thinking twice about it. That Gunning is one of the guys who keeps running into it says far more about him than about the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 It's not possible to "release" a player under contract. He had his contract paid up to a level mutually acceptable to him and Billericay. You could say that he didn't have much of a choice, and that he accepted his because to do otherwise would be to run the risk of getting even less if Ricay entered administration. That may be true, it it's far from guaranteed. After this he accepted a short-term, non-contract deal St Solihull, which once again he chose without a gun to his head, and did so despite the fact he could have sought out a deal to the end of the season elsewhere. This was 100%, entirely his choice. Even if (and to me it's a very big if) the Billericay situation was so unusual as to merit a second look, this one wasn't. The rule exists both to protect players and clubs and makes perfect sense, and 98% of British players will go a whole career without thinking twice about it. That Gunning is one of the guys who keeps running into it says far more about him than about the rule. The rule did nothing to protect the player or clubs in Tidser's case, though. There certainly could be more flexibility built in for cases like that. And on Gunning, the rule could be flexible enough to cope with short term deals. There are far too many situations that it doesn't account for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 The rule did nothing to protect the player or clubs in Tidser's case, though. There certainly could be more flexibility built in for cases like that. And on Gunning, the rule could be flexible enough to cope with short term deals. There are far too many situations that it doesn't account for. It's built in large part precisely to discourage such short-term deals, and ringers being brought in specifically for play-offs after being conveniently "released" from another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 It's built in large part precisely to discourage such short-term deals, and ringers being brought in specifically for play-offs after being conveniently "released" from another club. Surely the transfer windows (more final free agent window) also does this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 It's built in large part precisely to discourage such short-term deals, and ringers being brought in specifically for play-offs after being conveniently "released" from another club. I don't think it serves any real purpose to count matches played before the close of the transfer window in August. In the case of Tidser, for example, when Rotherham completed the squad for the close of the the window, he was surplus to requirements and could only find a temporary solution before the January window. It's too restrictive when the initial window closes after the season begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdc Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 It's built in large part precisely to discourage such short-term deals, and ringers being brought in specifically for play-offs after being conveniently "released" from another club. From hazy memory was this also a reaction to Anelka etc buying out their contracts to move from club to club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbru Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 It's built in large part precisely to discourage such short-term deals, and ringers being brought in specifically for play-offs after being conveniently "released" from another club. Aye, there's good reason for it but there should be an element of flexibility though. The point of the number of players it impacts, and Gunning in particular, is valid though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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