JonaTon Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 i like the pair of them and find this whole thing quite amusing. especially how itv had it as the main news topic. pure big weans gloating at their mate getting into trouble. Totally agree. My wee brother has a DVD of Russell Brand's stand up act and I thought it was hilarious. Twitter - JMitchell82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortonbug Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Just seeing on the 1 O'Clock News there that the investigation will be taking days rather than weeks. Obviously the fact the amount of complaints has rocketed from 5,000 to 80,000 in a day has something to do with that! I didn't realise that Sachs' grandaughter was a 'Satanic Slut' and that she had been pumped by the Brand! I wonder what her uncle John Sachs, the voiceover guy who used to do the commentary on Gladiators, thinks of all this! "In a country lacerated by the sharp shards of broken brown-eyed promises, in a world bent low by the burden of disease, war and the price of Thunderbird, who is left to make full account of God and Britain's depleted moral mini bar? Yes, it's the surprising adventures of me, Sir Digby Chicken Caesar!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonInDublin Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 So applying that logic women who are raped for wearing 'provocative' clothing are asking for it? I sincerely hope that wasn't aimed at me Davie. I was clarifying a previous question on whether on not Brand has indeed slept with the girl - he has. I then said that going by her facebook she is no shrinking violet - that is a statement of fact. How you can then make the leap of faith you did is appalling and says way more about your thought process than it ever does about mine. Rape is rape is rape - and it is wrong every single time- no ambiguity, and no excuses. How a female dresses/acts/speacks does not now, nor ever, excuse any kind of sexual attack. I'm assuming you didn't bother your arse checking her facebook to see what I was talking about when I said that young "Voluptia", the self proclaimed "Satanic Slut"was no shrinking violet. If you did check it, then you'd know what I mean. By the way, the picture of her burlesque act on this thread is only a taste of what else is up there. So to be clear - she shagged Russell Brand. He told her grandad. Get over it. And as for this lack of respect and manners and dignity you're banging on about - well that works both ways - and if you don't want someone to jump to conclusions about you then I would suggest you would have enough respect and dignity for yourself not to plaster your own pictures on your own open website showing you in all manner of dirty gear and provocative poses, sor join a group called The Satanic Sluts as Voluptia the Dominatrix.That just shows her up for the thrill seeking, attention grabbing daft wee lassie she is, and certainly raises concerns among a lot of people around her own moral standards. It does not, and never will, excuse sexual abuse. Nor was it EVER implied. What a shite post. TonInDublin Two Uniteds but the soul is one, as the Busby Babes carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leyTON Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Brilliant post TID. BRand, as has been suggested, is not too overpaid. Makes about 100k a year but brings listeners to a graveyard slot and his podcast is the most downloaded on itunes. For me, if Sachs accepts their apologies and says himself they shuldnt be asacked, itll be finished We are not home and dry, we could not even be said to be home and vigorously towelling ourselves off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissiboi Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 The wife and I both laughed when we heard David Cameron on Channel 4 news demanding a top level inquiry "to find out how far up the BBC chain it goes". Never mind the fact there's a global food shortage, we're fighting two wars and facing being at the centre of a global recession, some half arsed comedian makes prank phone calls in bad taste and the world comes tumbling down. That is it call me paranoid but did this not happen last week without causing the world to end but was highlighted just as the press were focusing on more parliamentary sleaze then low and behold the Daily Mail start this campaign . Whether you think it was in bad taste thats fair enough but the reaction of the press has only highlighted this incident beyond the original broadcast . There is a dangerous presidence with outside pressure being put on the BBC director general from outside . Whether you think it maybe right in this case but without a certain amount of autonomy how do you trust the BBC i they are being influenced from government or other areas . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie McArthur Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I sincerely hope that wasn't aimed at me Davie. I was clarifying a previous question on whether on not Brand has indeed slept with the girl - he has. I then said that going by her facebook she is no shrinking violet - that is a statement of fact. How you can then make the leap of faith you did is appalling and says way more about your thought process than it ever does about mine. Rape is rape is rape - and it is wrong every single time- no ambiguity, and no excuses. How a female dresses/acts/speacks does not now, nor ever, excuse any kind of sexual attack. I'm assuming you didn't bother your arse checking her facebook to see what I was talking about when I said that young "Voluptia", the self proclaimed "Satanic Slut"was no shrinking violet. If you did check it, then you'd know what I mean. By the way, the picture of her burlesque act on this thread is only a taste of what else is up there. So to be clear - she shagged Russell Brand. He told her grandad. Get over it. And as for this lack of respect and manners and dignity you're banging on about - well that works both ways - and if you don't want someone to jump to conclusions about you then I would suggest you would have enough respect and dignity for yourself not to plaster your own pictures on your own open website showing you in all manner of dirty gear and provocative poses, sor join a group called The Satanic Sluts as Voluptia the Dominatrix.That just shows her up for the thrill seeking, attention grabbing daft wee lassie she is, and certainly raises concerns among a lot of people around her own moral standards. It does not, and never will, excuse sexual abuse. Nor was it EVER implied. What a s***e post. TonInDublin Well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I happen to think that whatever she has on her website is not an open invitation to be humiliated in front of millions of people. If you think that's fine then that's what you think and I'll 'get over it'. What I am saying is that we get the presenters we deserve. If society lacks manners and decency then TV presenters will lack manners and decency. Personally I've never felt the urge to go and tell people about women I've slept with and if the woman in question has any male relatives I hope the find the pair of them and teach them a lesson. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this particular case it all boils down to respect for others. MARTY OUT!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leyTON Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Davie I think you are right, on the point of bragging and the indecency of presenters. But to be fair to Brand, how many people have done exposees about him? And whats the bets on this burd giving a warts and all account for a few bob? I listened to the broadcast last saturday, as i always do with brands show, and am stunned at this overreaction We are not home and dry, we could not even be said to be home and vigorously towelling ourselves off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upaclose Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 So to be clear - she shagged Russell Brand. He told her grandad. That just about sums it up, although I would have added the bit about offering the grandad a hamshank as recompense too. The problem I have with it is its not funny. Not even mildy amusing. I like puerile humour as much as the next man (indeed I've spent the last 30 odd years refining the art) but Russell brand is just a dick. If they'd left it as a "he's pumped your grandaughter" shout in the back ground fair enough, but its the dragging it our for ages afterwards with the apology and "song" and whatever that just f***ing bores me. He can't even do funny misogyny. I think the title of Brand's memoir "My Booky Wook" pretty much sums him up - humourless, childish, and f***ing irritating. I think Ross's behaviour disappointed me more though. I thought he had a bit more class. At the very basic level there is no kudos to be gained in noising up an old man who's not in on the joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Now, if the Sun would only devote that much attention to their editor being beaten by her husband, Actually the editor of the sun beat up her husband. or The Mirror devoted the same column inches when their editor made a lot of money through inside trading on Viglen shares or The Mail etc etc etc.......... And he is a complete cnut, fiscal crook and printer of foties he knew were fakes. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I have no idea whether or not they should be sacked, I simply think this sorry episode shows how far we have declined in manners and respect. A gentleman would never, ever tell tales about a lady he has slept with. The real, substantial point. utterly bluidy despicable. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortonbug Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 As sensational as this story is, you have to wonder why news bulletins are leading with this, considering the ongoing financial crisis, the most significant United States election for the rest of the world in years and a pretty important by-election for the Labour party next week. I mean what new angle are they going to find by doing this? There wasn't this many outside Lord Mandelson's door last week after he, a Cabinet minister, had been accused of corruption! Something you would think would have been far more important if true! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7697768.stm "In a country lacerated by the sharp shards of broken brown-eyed promises, in a world bent low by the burden of disease, war and the price of Thunderbird, who is left to make full account of God and Britain's depleted moral mini bar? Yes, it's the surprising adventures of me, Sir Digby Chicken Caesar!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 The crux of this is that what they did was in extremely bad taste, broke confidences and undoubtedly caused distress to Sachs and his granddaughter and their family. That would've been the case even WITHOUT allowing it to be broadcast, but allowing that to happen made it common knowledge and breached the girl's right to privacy and confidentiality, which is the same as anyone else's no matter what her occupation is. That is NOT opinion, it's undeniable fact. For that reason, they deserve to be sacked. They deserve to be bluidy well horsewhipped for it. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortonbug Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I just read an article on the Evening Standard's website. It quoted what Brand said when he left his house and then finished with this: 'He then got into a chauffeur-driven Mercedes for a flight to Los Angeles.' He gets paid £200,000 a year for his Radio 2 show apparently, would seem Ross is the one with the most to lose here. Sachs has even said they both have talent, especially Jonathan, but that they are misusing it. "In a country lacerated by the sharp shards of broken brown-eyed promises, in a world bent low by the burden of disease, war and the price of Thunderbird, who is left to make full account of God and Britain's depleted moral mini bar? Yes, it's the surprising adventures of me, Sir Digby Chicken Caesar!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBu Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 The problem I have with it is that if they decided to slag off Sachs for something he's done wrong then fair enough, but they didn't, they basically humilated him. By all accounts he's meant to be a nice enough bloke so I dont see why they even started down that route. Plus if Brand had said he'd shagged Ross' daughters do you think he'd still have taken it as a joke? Dont think so. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 This happened like, two weeks ago, why the sudden outcry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie McArthur Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 This happened like, two weeks ago, why the sudden outcry? It's called a distraction........look at the shiney shiney!!!! MARTY OUT!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 The real, substantial point. utterly bluidy despicable. Coz she's such a shrinking violet, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBu Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Coz she's such a shrinking violet, after all. Yeah, but the phonecall was NOTHING to do with her. If they left a message on her machine it still wouldn't be funny but at least relevant. Whereas all they done was humilate an old man. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leyTON Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 i disagree ebu. Sachs has said they need to apologise to the "satanic slut" in question. We are not home and dry, we could not even be said to be home and vigorously towelling ourselves off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonInDublin Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Coz she's such a shrinking violet, after all. ....which is where I came in. To recap lads ...... 1. It was a shite joke. 2. It was in bad taste 3. They behaved like a pair of fannies 4. The lassie does not exactly detract attention away from herself based on her facebook site, pictures, comments and stagename of Volutia The Dominatrix Of The Satanic Sluts. 5. It's not the end of the world - she got pumped, they got suspended, grandad didn't get wanked off. And for all of you lads up in arms about the lack of privacy and breach of confidence ...... I trust you will beat a similar path to this board the next time a Tory MP is caught baw deep in his butlers arse with a tangerine in his gub and his finger up his own farter. Or any other time a footballer or any other celebrity is outed for playing away from home by the tabloid press. Or any other affair for that matter which is not declared by the individual without giving the press the right to publish first. Jesus wept. TonInDublin Two Uniteds but the soul is one, as the Busby Babes carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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