EanieMeany Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Can't believe I'm saying this but I'd take Duffy or Moore over JJ based on what I've seen thus far. Agreed. I actually think any of the usual faces would be an improvement, there's usually at least *something* there with a manager even if they aren't a good one and you can see what their style of play is but with Johansson it just feels like there's absolutely no guidance or leadership at all and it's been like that from the start. I As for his interviews, if we wanted a TV pundit then sure, fine, but surely the recruitment process is stringent and asks for a lot more than pointing out errors in the play. Normally with a new manage you get a lot of talk about how he likes to play, his vision for the team etc and they transmit a bit of excitement and optimism but there's never really been anything of the sort. Again, we don't know what goes on in the boardroom but we haven't seen any flashes at all of the "wow factor" that'd land a guy with no managerial experience a job. AWMSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbru Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Agreed. I actually think any of the usual faces would be an improvement, there's usually at least *something* there with a manager even if they aren't a good one and you can see what their style of play is but with Johansson it just feels like there's absolutely no guidance or leadership at all and it's been like that from the start. I As for his interviews, if we wanted a TV pundit then sure, fine, but surely the recruitment process is stringent and asks for a lot more than pointing out errors in the play. Normally with a new manage you get a lot of talk about how he likes to play, his vision for the team etc and they transmit a bit of excitement and optimism but there's never really been anything of the sort. Again, we don't know what goes on in the boardroom but we haven't seen any flashes at all of the "wow factor" that'd land a guy with no managerial experience a job. He does point out the problems though and when he first came in he spoke well and clearly about how he'd like to play and the importance of being flexible in games. It doesn't seem to have worked in practice and I'd maybe have both over him as well as things stand but that doesn't mean it was a crazy decision to appoint him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Can't believe I'm saying this but I'd take Duffy or Moore over JJ based on what I've seen thus far. Moore relied almost entirely on who he was able to sign. There was no year on year progress, no building of a good core squad, and no particular tactical nous on show. I can understand what you're saying about Duffy, but Moore was a long term disaster for us and would be struggling at least as much as JJ is in this situation imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 It's not though. His initial interviews were all impressive and following that have all been quite insightful. The weekends game where he thought we were OK is an exception to that. He comes across well, has good experience in different coaching roles and has a better playing career than 99% of players will so it's obvious to see how he got the job. Especially, when an experienced assistant was being brought in as a mentor of sorts. Failing to achieve what he was brought in for is different from getting the job. We could have brought in Guardiola and failed - nothing is guaranteed and for our level I think it was a fairly bold move and one that might well have paid off. If we want to stick to usual Moore's and Duffy's of the world we're unlikely to go anywhere fast. Nobody is refuting the fact that there was logic in giving him the gig and trying something different. The early enthusiasm showed most were open to that. You started the debate here though when you threw in his Assistant gigs being bigger jobs as a rebuttal to the suggestion that he has not served a Manager's apprenticeship. He hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamCam Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I may be wrong but I thought the majority of supporters were in favour of appointing JJ? It was refreshing to see the Board go outwith the usual candidates and appoint an individual who clearly came across well at interview. The issue is in the 19 games to date there has been little evidence that JJ can turn words into action. Whatever you think about the quality of the squad JJ should be capable of getting his message across. For me, all I can see is a collection of players who have gone backward since JJ was appointed. Realistically we are looking at treading water this season but the danger is we get dragged into a relegation battle. No doubt JJ will see the season out but how many supporters will hang around to see it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Still can't believe we haven't signed a forward yet. Crying out for one. You're forgetting that JJ is currently using his much vaunted 'experience of playing at a higher level' and 'talking a good game' to turn Robert Thomson into the next Jan Koller. As was shown by our highly successful 'shell the ball to the big target man' tactics on Saturday. The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 He was assistant manager for Finland and Rangers. Both arguably bigger jobs than being manager at a lot of teams in Scotland. Fake news: he was actually an assistant coach at Rangers, behind the bold Pedro's other Portugese ringer in the pecking order: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39547273 I see that he fended off some tough competition among staunch ex-players to land that gig as well. How have Alex Rae, Bomber Brown and Barry Ferguson all fared in Scottish league management? So there's that, plus eight months spent as assistant manager with Finland - a role so important that James McFadden has been given it within the Scotland setup to act as a glorified mascot for the fanbase. And he was only there for eight months (Dec 2016-Aug 2017), in which the Finnish international side played the grand total of two competitive matches and lost both of them. So he actually has two competitive matches as assistant manager, zero matches as a manager and no achievements to point to in those two spells you've highlighted as an impressive CV. I can certainly see why you've been fooled by the rest of his utter bullshit then. The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Fake news: he was actually an assistant coach at Rangers, behind the bold Pedro's other Portugese ringer in the pecking order: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39547273 I see that he fended off some tough competition among staunch ex-players to land that gig as well. How have Alex Rae, Bomber Brown and Barry Ferguson all fared in Scottish league management? So there's that, plus eight months spent as assistant manager with Finland - a role so important that James McFadden has been given it within the Scotland setup to act as a glorified mascot for the fanbase. And he was only there for eight months (Dec 2016-Aug 2017), in which the Finnish international side played the grand total of two competitive matches and lost both of them. So he actually has two competitive matches as assistant manager, zero matches as a manager and no achievements to point to in those two spells you've highlighted as an impressive CV. I can certainly see why you've been fooled by the rest of his utter bulls*** then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 To be fair I thought he'd been higher-up in the Rangers organization than that, and that's not a particularly long spell with Finland. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
port-ton Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Regards the rangers situation he wasn't even hired cause he was the most qualified for the job, as they were only interviewing for a glorified teaboy that had played for Rangers before to help Pedro settle in to Scottish football and rangers, and you also get the feeling that he was hired because he wasn't as in your face as the other applicants and wouldn't rock the boat. Good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things, but only with religion do good people do bad things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EanieMeany Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 To be fair I thought he'd been higher-up in the Rangers organization than that, and that's not a particularly long spell with Finland. Oh well. Aye, I didn't realise that with Rangers* either tbh...never really looked into it but just assumed he was the actual assistant manager from what was written. Not being John Brown isn't much of a commendation. AWMSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTonic Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Fake news: he was actually an assistant coach at Rangers, behind the bold Pedro's other Portugese ringer in the pecking order: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39547273 I see that he fended off some tough competition among staunch ex-players to land that gig as well. How have Alex Rae, Bomber Brown and Barry Ferguson all fared in Scottish league management? So there's that, plus eight months spent as assistant manager with Finland - a role so important that James McFadden has been given it within the Scotland setup to act as a glorified mascot for the fanbase. And he was only there for eight months (Dec 2016-Aug 2017), in which the Finnish international side played the grand total of two competitive matches and lost both of them. So he actually has two competitive matches as assistant manager, zero matches as a manager and no achievements to point to in those two spells you've highlighted as an impressive CV. I can certainly see why you've been fooled by the rest of his utter bulls*** then. Backe will take up the role from January, meaning Markku Kanerva will take charge of Finland's remaining four qualifiers, in which they need to make up a five-point deficit to stand a chance of making France 2016. The 63-year-old Swede has considerable experience as a coach, but has ventured into international football just once previously, as Sven-Goran Eriksson's assistant with Mexico. His most recent role was as head coach of New York Red Bulls - who to this day have a supporters club named 'Viking Army' in his honour. Backe will be assisted in his role by three former Finland internationals - Jonatan Johansson, Mika Nurmela and Antti Niemmi, 2 wins(Greece Away) and 2 draws and no losses in his involvement in the Euro 2016 campaign and then took permanent Asst Manager Finland job which is where your timeline comes in before quickly being offered Rangers first team coach role... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Leaving aside the shambolic mess you made of that reply, you've actually stated nothing of importance. Johannson was only appointed assistant manager in December 2016, the qualification campaign for the Euros had therefore obviously ended and he served for two competitive games in that role. Thanks for playing anyway Jean; go back to fighting out with Sean fucking Batty for the biggest loser on our TV screens. The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTonic Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Leaving aside the shambolic mess you made of that reply, you've actually stated nothing of importance. Johannson was only appointed assistant manager in December 2016, the qualification campaign for the Euros had therefore obviously ended and he served for two competitive games in that role. Thanks for playing anyway Jean; go back to fighting out with Sean ****ing Batty for the biggest loser on our TV screens. When i get too 18k posts of nonsense and inaccurate revisionism maybe the reply might be less shambolic.... You throw around half truths like confetti is the point....Repetitive and Tedious....Anyway did not join forum to end up in dialogue with a troll (albeit a legendary one). Dr Zhivago I salute you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcintyre_gmfc Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 JJ fully expecting players to be signed next week, we’ve lost out on a few to other teams in the same league and league above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVMP Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 JJ fully expecting players to be signed next week, we’ve lost out on a few to other teams in the same league and league above. So basically like every other club in the world, then? I'm so fucking sick of hearing this from a procession of managers. I'm absolutely convinced this attitude filters down from the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoodless Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 He’s a dud. Get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_the_builder Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 So basically like every other club in the world, then? I'm so ****ing sick of hearing this from a procession of managers. I'm absolutely convinced this attitude filters down from the board. Spot on it does! 19 years of underachieving with, what, 9 different managers in that time off the top of my head? But its the same faces in the board that entire time. We are going nowhere under the current regime. Cue all the questions of "who's going to take us over though?" here today, gone to hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 When i get too 18k posts of nonsense and inaccurate revisionism maybe the reply might be less shambolic.... You throw around half truths like confetti is the point....Repetitive and Tedious....Anyway did not join forum to end up in dialogue with a troll (albeit a legendary one). Dr Zhivago I salute you. Still, at least you’re taking it like a champ. The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EanieMeany Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Apparently we're after proven goalscorer Nikolay Todorov. AWMSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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