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Poll: IndyRef (31 member(s) have cast votes)

How did you vote in September 2014?

  1. Yes (23 votes [74.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 74.19%

  2. No (8 votes [25.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.81%

How would you vote in a second referendum?

  1. Yes (24 votes [77.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 77.42%

  2. No (7 votes [22.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.58%

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#41 EanieMeany

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 06:04 PM

Sturgeon, more than Salmond, has been fairly bold in her approach to the limits of devolution. Despite having next to no powers on employment law and equalities what she has done with the little power that she does have has been held up as an example to other nations but it sits extremely close to the limit of what’s lawful (and arguably could be held to be unlawful if tested in court) and unions have rightly been broadly supportive of that. On Brexit she has pushed to the limits of devolution in introducing a rival Brexit Bill despite the Presiding Officer and the Advocate General taking a different view - and the Supreme Court upheld the Scottish Government’s position. On social, economic and environmental rights she’s made a firm commitment to legislate there - and put together a really excellent advisory team to fill in the gaps - despite the UK Government’s position being to roll back the rights that we already have never mind to expand on them. On fracking the Scottish Government has gone as far as it possibly can in achieving a de facto ban - and survived a court challenge on it. On children’s rights the Named Person scheme was groundbreaking but ultimately has been (in my opinion, wrongly) delayed by the Supreme Court (indicating, again, a push to the limits of what can lawfully be done). And on Brexit overall I would say that Sturgeon and Carwyn Jones have been impressive while May has been inept and Corbyn has shown to be more nationalist than even the nationalist parties, sadly at the cost of his socialism.

There are arguments to be had about whether their policies on fracking, named persons and so on are good policies but I think the Scottish Government has (and so has the Welsh Government, eg on Trade Union rights) been willing to push at the limits of its powers. And more often than not has been backed by the courts when it has done so.

Legally here and there, perhaps, but certainly not in terms of policy, vision and ambition. If we were some backwater like Wales then perhaps such a timid, managerial approach to governance would be enough, but in Scotland we came off the back of a referendum campaign where there was a genuine appetite for change which ,as far as I can see, still mostly exists in the background -  and within the SNP's membership - and against that backdrop it just isn't really enough. 

 

One hand tied behind their back or not, the Scottish Government haven't even came close to using all the powers at their disposal. Their electoral base is almost unassailable, they've had a free reign to properly push the envelope and have actively chosen not to do it.  There's been some good policies here and there for sure, but if you're aspiring to create a new country and to being the only person who can deliver that, then Sturgeon's tenure has fell so far short. Council tax, local governance, transport, squabbling over who came up with a Tory education policy...it really isn't the governance of a party or leader determined to transform a country's wellbeing and people's lives. It's not governance that's going to inspire a majority of the population to scrap the Union.
 


Edited by EanieMeany, 26 April 2019 - 06:06 PM.

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#42 Cappiecat 1.2

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 06:04 PM

Yes. Before the effects of Brexit begin to cripple us.


Ideally yes, but I fear that most won't be moved to act until after they've lost the use of their legs.

Edited by Cappiecat 1.2, 26 April 2019 - 06:07 PM.

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#43 vikingTON

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 07:42 AM

So much for the recent polls looking bad:

https://www.thetimes...obox=1556350350

YouGov/The Times 27 April

European Parliament elections: SNP 40%; Labour 15%; Brexit 14%; The Staunch Ruth Davidson Party 9 - NINE - %.

Independence referendum: Yes 49% No 51%.

Turns out that just parroting ‘what the people of Scotland want’ according to Ruth Davidson and her dying party is a spectacularly wrong take on the public mood about anything. Who’d have thought it.
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So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are


#44 vikingTON

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 07:47 AM

NB: And The Only Show in Town also holds a 23% polling lead for Westminster and 24% for Holyrood elections - the latter being unprecedented for a government fully twelve years in power and at a midpoint between ballots no less. Looks like the ‘day job’ is being covered quite well then actually.
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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are


#45 TONofmemories

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 06:45 PM

So much for the recent polls looking bad:

https://www.thetimes...obox=1556350350

YouGov/The Times 27 April

European Parliament elections: SNP 40%; Labour 15%; Brexit 14%; The Staunch Ruth Davidson Party 9 - NINE - %.

Independence referendum: Yes 49% No 51%.

Turns out that just parroting ‘what the people of Scotland want’ according to Ruth Davidson and her dying party is a spectacularly wrong take on the public mood about anything. Who’d have thought it.

So, still not a majority then?

😂😂😂

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#46 TheGoon

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 07:09 PM

The campaign hasn’t even started.
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#47 vikingTON

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 08:45 PM

So, still not a majority then?

😂😂😂

Next.


Any Yoon viewing a 49-51 split right now as a good sign is a moron tbh - the Grim Reaper is remorselessly scything your natural base every hour of the day. Simple demographic facts - give it another two years and you’re fucked.

Just let that sink in.
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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are


#48 TRVMP

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 08:54 PM

Any Yoon viewing a 49-51 split right now as a good sign is a moron tbh - the Grim Reaper is remorselessly scything your natural base every hour of the day. Simple demographic facts - give it another two years and you’re ****ed.

Just let that sink in.


This kind of complacency serves nobody. The population is still aging and there's decent evidence that people become more conservative as they get older. Whether or not that affects the identity question - which a lot of this comes down to, despite everyone's frowny-face policy debates - admittedly remains to be seen. But every vote still has to be fought for.
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Do you like Abba?


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Posted 27 April 2019 - 09:05 PM

There’s nothing to show from political science literature that the already well understood cohort effect trumps (no pun intended) the currently huge, yawning gaps between generations on fundamental issues. That’s why there’s already a solid lead for Remain v Brexit compared to the previous vote and why demographics are fatal to the Yoons as well. The trickle of ageing and increasingly conservative voters are useless compared to the scores of baby-boomer Britnats fucking off on a daily basis.

Personally I’d rather not bother with the shan process and risky outcome of a referendum to gain independence at all - but if it gets called in the next few years then Yes is quite clearly in a strong position to win, there’s no doubting that IMO.

Edited by vikingTON, 27 April 2019 - 09:07 PM.

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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are


#50 TRVMP

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 09:11 PM

There’s nothing to show from political science literature that the already well understood cohort effect trumps (no pun intended) the currently huge, yawning gaps between generations on fundamental issues. That’s why there’s already a solid lead for Remain v Brexit compared to the previous vote and why demographics are fatal to the Yoons as well. The trickle of ageing and increasingly conservative voters are useless compared to the scores of baby-boomer Britnats ****ing off on a daily basis.

Personally I’d rather not bother with the shan process and risky outcome of a referendum to gain independence at all - but if it gets called in the next few years then Yes is quite clearly in a strong position to win, there’s no doubting that IMO.


It's true that the *current* set of divisive issues are going to flip, demographically, come what may, but in the immediate term the population is still aging, that's the point here, and live expectancy remains high.

The real wild card is a realignment like we're seeing in the US, which can change everything. However, I think any realignment would strongly help the Nats, not the yoons.
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Do you like Abba?


#51 Malt

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Posted 28 April 2019 - 08:10 AM

Will there be a border check when we play Berwick Rangers?
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Posted 28 April 2019 - 10:50 AM

Will there be a border check when we play Berwick Rangers?


Berwick will be playing in the Tyneside local leagues by then so no issues.

Drawing some Welsh fermer outfit in the challenge cup, however. Get the passports out.
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Posted 28 April 2019 - 07:43 PM

So it looks like we would be adopting a new currency with the news coming out of the SNP conference. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/...litics-48069470


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Posted 28 April 2019 - 08:32 PM

It makes the most sense, I wouldn’t be a fan of sticking to the pound.
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Posted 28 April 2019 - 10:51 PM

Can't wait to buy slice and Breaker lager with a shiny Salmond.

Edited by TRVMP, 28 April 2019 - 10:51 PM.

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#56 BishopLenBrennan

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 01:00 AM

I think our currency should be the Ainsley tbh.
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Posted 29 April 2019 - 01:38 AM

Can't wait to buy slice and Breaker lager with a shiny Salmond.


You mean a slimy Salmond.
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#58 TONofmemories

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 07:36 AM

The irony of going to the strippers with an alex salmond bank note...

Absolute predator

Edited by TONofmemories, 29 April 2019 - 07:37 AM.

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 07:45 AM

The irony of going to the strippers with an alex salmond bank note...

Absolute predator


Nothing wrong with men going to the strippers.
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#60 TONofmemories

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 07:52 AM

No, but paying for it with that predator on the bank note😂
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