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So she doesn't actually believe now is not the time?

"Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it."

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Shameless opportunist, and the hypocrisy is gobsmacking.  Indyref: A distraction; General Election: yes, let's go for it.  She really has pissed on Ruth Davidson's sausage supper.

"Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it."

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Shameless opportunist, and the hypocrisy is gobsmacking.  Indyref: A distraction; General Election: yes, let's go for it.  She really has pissed on Ruth Davidson's sausage supper.

 

She'll know she's got the win in the bag.  Look at the odds on the link:

 

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1199760

 

Unless Corbyn comes out with an (unlikely) 'vote for me and I'll stop Brexit...you were conned...'

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I'm feeling quite optimistic. The Tories gaining ground in the local elections has put them in the spotlight, and I feel they're getting thoroughly found out now that their lack of policies and u-turns are under heavy scrutiny. 

 

The media are still doing their best to do them a favour but especially in Scotland the lack of any credible policy in place of "lets show KRANKEH we don't want INDUHPENDUNCE!" is not going unnoticed. 

 

Tick fucking tock.

 

Peter Weatherson is the greatest player since Ritchie, and should be assigned 'chairman for life' 


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I realize that the Tory vote is collapsing, but it's collapsing from an extremely high point and I'm not convinced that Labour will be able to bring out the vote on the 8th.

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I realize that the Tory vote is collapsing, but it's collapsing from an extremely high point and I'm not convinced that Labour will be able to bring out the vote on the 8th.

It won't. Despite what the polls are showing I suspect they'll still win by a healthy margin but it's nice that it hasn't went as they'd planned at the very least.

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It won't. Despite what the polls are showing I suspect they'll still win by a healthy margin but it's nice that it hasn't went as they'd planned at the very least.

The thing is, looking at it closely, Labour seem to be benefitting more from the libdems and Ukip collapse than the tory one.

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Last night's "random lone wolf attack that couldn't possibly have been predicted and in no way was coordinated among and shielded by several members of the wider Islamic community, and even if it was that really is excusable when you think about it because of colonialism and racism, plus think of our pensions and the cheap labor and the delicious restaurants, and also having things like laws and borders and a culture that values the lives and safety of its indigenous inhabitants is, like, SO not who we are, also don't forget the restaurants" - is it likely to have an impact? I see Theresa May is already saying the UK has been too tolerant. That's an understatement but I am interested to see if the voters buy it from May. As far as I can tell the mainstream idea of combating terror among the bien pensants of Westminster comprises:

 

More 'community engagement' - ie graft for a few well-connected Muslims while terror plots bubble unabated

The expansion of a hugely intrusive and expensive surveillance state, which doesn't seem to prevent much terror but at least stops your cousin from drunkenly Tweeting anything ill-advised, lest he go to prison

The continued importation of any refugee who looks suitably baleful in front of a camera (because tolerance, restaurants, who we are, takeaways, etc).

 

Anyway, I detect no real appetite to mitigate, much less resolve, the ongoing insurrection in the UK, but I am curious as to the mood on the ground. Are people generally worried? Does it impact daily life? Do people see a lick of difference between the political parties if they are bothered at all?

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I recall years ago there was an insufferable dickhead on this messageboard who would spout shite on here about 'Tolerance' and a whole load of other complete mung straight from his youth-community-worker-grant-funded-charity-status handbook plus lefty agenda which he had as well back then. This was in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks and the war in Afghanistan and Iraq were in full swing at the time.

 

What I don't understand is if they hate us so much that they wish to kill us indiscriminately, then why cant we hate them in return and call them for what they are, without being told that we are racist of being told by the self-righteous that we should 'tolerate' them?

 

We don't need mealy-mouthed liberal hashtags #prayformanchester/London/Berlin/Brussels/Paris etc. And yet more candles on pavements from Tony Blair's generation.

 

We need more people who are willing to speak their minds, and stand up to those who wish to hurt us and our kind, whether it's #hangthebastards or #closetheborders or #sendthemback. We've been tolerant, tolerance doesn't work. They wish to harm us in the most cowardly ways possible.

 

Next weekend's game against England would be a good place to start. The English have their we ditty 'F- the IRA' why not 'F- Islamic State' instead?

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I was 100% behind tolerance and diversity and whatnot until very recently, and then one thing changed my mind, and that thing was Rotherham. To be clear, I don't believe that systematic sex trafficking and child sexual abuse is innately or uniquely a Muslim thing. (As we read this, a European will be raping a child in the Philippines and it will be broadcast live on the darknet, for example.) But a unique confluence of events led me to rethink my worldview:

 

* We had a minority population that was deeply insular and thus knowledge of the offenses existed beyond the perpetrators, but actual intel based on this wasn't forthcoming

* What intel did exist was actively hushed up by authorities for a variety of reasons that can be summarized as "muh tolerance"

* Canaries in the coal mine such as the Muslamic rayguns (see here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M - and note that the TV channel that calls this "incoherent anger" is Iranian)

* There is virtually no acknowledgement of the enormity of this situation in mainstream British culture, whereas the Savile child sex abuse cases rocked the establishment to its foundations. There were a brave few journalists who did excellent work on this, and a bit of back and forth in Parliament, but the exact same scenario has played out in Derby and Telford and Oxford and Bradford and nobody says a word about it.

 

This led me to believe that we had a problem not just of integration and law but a problem self-inflicted - that we aren't willing to tackle existential threats to our society and its vulnerable members because "muh tolerance."

 

So I essentially stopped being tolerant.

 

I don't regard Islamic State as the main problem here. I regard our ridiculous tolerance-at-all-costs, invade-the-world-then-invite-the-world, homos-economicus neoliberalism as the main problem. If we stopped pretending that all humans are fungible economic entities just waiting for the change to be dentists in Tunbridge Wells we would approach things extremely differently.

 

And no type of song or hashtag, in one direction or the other, will do anything.

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