Election Thread - Page 2 - General Nonsense - TheMortonForum.com Jump to content
TheMortonForum.com

Election Thread


BishopBrennan

Recommended Posts

Even if that was true it doesn't really explain 40 years of Tory Governments (I can't really be bothered removing Blair or Brown from that). Even if Corbyn was some raving anti-semite (he isn't), he'd still have a huge way to go to catch up with his opponents or their media pals to match them.

^^^whitabootery.

 

Your chumps lost. Dry your eyes.

*insert signature here*

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 50
  • Created
  • Last Reply

^^^whitabootery.

 

Your chumps lost. Dry your eyes.

 

If you're going to suggest Chukku Ummuna is the national saviour, I don't really think there's any point in anything more nuanced, tbh.

 

That said, it's not really whataboutery to suggest that putting the victory of an overtly racist party and leader down to an overtly anti-racist leader being...*checks notes*  racist driving voters into the arms of the overtly racist party is complete and utter bollocks.

 

Again, even if Corbyn was some mad racist (which surely no sensible person actually thinks he is), it's still not a patch on the other mob and the idea that it's a reason for people supporting the party that brought us Grenfell and the Windrush deportations is utterly fanciful.

AWMSC

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If you're going to suggest Chukku Ummuna is the national saviour, I don't really think there's any point in anything more nuanced, tbh.

He could have been the salvation of the the Labour Party.

He's young, intelligent, articulate, likeable... A lot of the things that old Steptoe Corbyn isn't.

 

I think Labour needs a female leader. A bit of a looker. That might do the trick.

*insert signature here*

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Where did I say racist? I mentioned anti-semitism, which Labour does have a problem with. Funnily enough, those in that party with that very problem are also very quick to accuse others of 'racism' - and very often they're Muslims who have a Pro-palestine agenda.

*insert signature here*

Link to comment
Share on other sites

How big a deal was the anti-semitism thing? I'm thousands of miles away and don't have a good read on the UK media anymore, but I saw it coming up a lot whenever I did dig into it. Was it something that actually made a difference, or was it something that only mattered on Twitter?

EOho8Pw.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It matters far more as a handy excuse for defeat for the Momentum cultists to deflect from the facts that Corbyn was a wildly unpopular mumbleclown leader from the beginning and that Labour’s campaign failed to package their genuinely radical agenda as anything more than naked bribes to the electorate. This gives them the cover to select another leader in the same ideological vein despite their utter shoeing yesterday.

The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

 

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It matters far more as a handy excuse for defeat for the Momentum cultistsdeflects from the facts that Corbyn was a wildly unpopular mumbleclown leader from the beginning and that Labour’s campaign failed to package their genuinely radical agenda as anything more than naked bribes to the electorate. This gives them the cover to select another leader in the same ideological vein despite their utter shoeing yesterday.

 

Yeah, that sounds about right. Not something that has a huge impact on the electorate as a whole, but something that both sides of the commentariat/activism wings can use as ammo, where applicable.

 

Not really related but I saw these quotes from David Lammy, which I think make an excellent point:

 

 

"I think that the new theme across much of the developed world, in terms of centre-right and right-wing politics is sort of an authoritarianism in relation to immigration and those sorts of issues," says Labour MP David Lammy.

 

"And a sort of cut-through, whether it's let's take our country back, or let's get Brexit done.

"And it is true that social democratic and socialist parties have struggled to get a grip on that in heartland areas."

 

Whether or not you want to call it 'authoritarianism' - an extremely loaded term - or not, this does increasingly seem to be the case among center-right voters who until fairly recently would have balked at a lot of what's happening. Myself included. I'm far more enthusiastic now about strong leadership than I was in the past. And while Lammy doesn't say it here, I think a lot of it is because the world is so incredibly complex, and seems to be so out of control, that we want, either consciously or not, to feel that someone's In Cherge Here. The managerial, post-Blairite centrists haven't really grokked that the Anglosphere electorate - left and right - is now viscerally disgusted by endless parades of stage-managed stooges in suits sitting around tables with unrefrigerated bottles of expensive water. And the far left, despite what I think is an increasing economic populism across the board, fails to inspire faith as well, albeit for different reasons. And that leaves the center-right* in a very powerful position in the UK.

 

*as I say, I don't follow UK politics closely, but it's possible to dislike Johnson while also rejecting the idea that he's some kind of right-wing extremist. Some of the stuff written about him reminds me of nothing so much as some of the hot takes on Obama circa 2008, the idea that he was some wild-eyed socialist, as opposed to what he actually is - a managerial centrist.

EOho8Pw.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think it will be Keir Starmer as their next leader. Surely that is now the end of Farage too.

No idea what Farage was playing at. Either run the Brexit Party to win or don't run it at all. In the end it just looked like vanity, and I say this as someone with a lot of time for Farage, despite disagreeing with him on a lot of substantial points.

EOho8Pw.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites

How big a deal was the anti-semitism thing? I'm thousands of miles away and don't have a good read on the UK media anymore, but I saw it coming up a lot whenever I did dig into it. Was it something that actually made a difference, or was it something that only mattered on Twitter?

 

I doubt it made any difference at all to anyone apart from gammons in the media with their agenda driven faux-outrage, and the Jewish community which is pretty small UK and mainly concentrated in London where Labour didn't do terribly. The damage was done in the midlands and north of England, which are hardly the most cosmopolitan and inclusive places in the world. It might have had a grinding effect on his already terrible overall reputation, but the main issue there was obviously Brexit.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I doubt it made any difference at all to anyone apart from gammons in the media with their agenda driven faux-outrage, and the Jewish community which is pretty small UK and mainly concentrated in London where Labour didn't do terribly. The damage was done in the midlands and north of England, which are hardly the most cosmopolitan and inclusive places in the world. It might have had a grinding effect on his already terrible overall reputation, but the main issue there was obviously Brexit.

 

Aye, it was wheeled out often enough but I'm not sure how big a bearing it really had as I'd suspect anybody susceptible to such things would have had their mind made up already. It's clear that the whole thing could have been handled better by the Labour Party, but I'd say that's more bad politics/management than anything else; much of the attack lines were a lot more unpleasant than most of the stuff party members were charged with such as the way any Jewish groups who supported Corbyn were dismissed from the picture. It wasn't a great look for anybody involved, regardless.

 

On the subject of Brexit, the way the Remain ultras have harped on was always going to present a problem for every party except the Tories and Brexit Party (and the SNP, for very different reasons). Much of the rubbish that came from large sections of the Remain camp wasn't really any better than their counterparts and lead to the Leave vote coalescing around the Tories. Obviously there's different ideologies at play and I don't necessarily mean to make a direct comparison, but there's a similarity between the way that happened and the way the pro-independence referendum has solidified around the SNP - you could also draw a comparison between the way the immediate aftermath of the independence referendum resulted in the issue being kept "live" and the way the Remain hysteria hardened the Brexit vote when it was all going tits-up at May's hands. If both referendums had been handled better, it could have saved a lot of trouble for everybody.

 

Even aside from any impact on the election, it was all pretty grim and much line the anti-semitism thing, nobody really came out of it all particularly well and the result is that the omnishambles will rumble on for years to come. 

AWMSC

Link to comment
Share on other sites

How big a deal was the anti-semitism thing? I'm thousands of miles away and don't have a good read on the UK media anymore, but I saw it coming up a lot whenever I did dig into it. Was it something that actually made a difference, or was it something that only mattered on Twitter?

Jew hating, terrorist loving Jeremy was quite common from the right wing press. Ironic to a point.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Farage is nothing more than a useful idiot for those pushing the right wing brexit agenda.

He isn't really of much use any more.

More is going to deliver brexit and even if Farage screams about it not being true brexit, Johnson has the mandate.

Anyway, Farage got what he wanted. An honours bobble.

20.1.09

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.




×
×
  • Create New...