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All,

 

Just read on bbc sport that Rangers will not be penilised with sanctions if they form a newco, so what do they give up for this, their name RANGERS FC, their history of trophies?

 

Does this mean they will not owe a penny and will be debt free?

 

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Brian.

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The article quoting Neil Doncaster states his view. That man is a total disgrace and brings Scottish football into disrepute. His only interest is the tv contract and the opinions of anyone else, especially fans means nothing to him. Has he ever heard of the word "integrity"?

 

Also, what is common to his background and Mr Green- did they both come from Sheffield United?

 

I sincerely hope the SPL get rid of him!

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apparently a pal of mine was speaking to Greame Speirs who told him SKY got in touch with Doncaster and the SPL/SFA (not sure which if not both) and told them in no uncertain terms that if Rangers are not in the SPL next season there will be no TV deal.

 

That is what I would imagine is called bribery, and perhaps UEFA/FIFA should step in to not allow such things to happen?

 

they forbid political interference in football, why not corporate?

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apparently a pal of mine was speaking to Greame Speirs who told him SKY got in touch with Doncaster and the SPL/SFA (not sure which if not both) and told them in no uncertain terms that if Rangers are not in the SPL next season there will be no TV deal.

 

That is what I would imagine is called bribery, and perhaps UEFA/FIFA should step in to not allow such things to happen?

 

they forbid political interference in football, why not corporate?

 

I would imagine that Doncaster has been in touch with SKY rather than the other way around. Love him or loathe him, his job is to do the best for the member clubs of the SPL and if he wasn't to be exploring the financial implications of a Rangers-free SPL he'd be badly neglecting his duties.

 

In the same breath- SKY are a business that rely on their customers the same way all businesses do. They're under no obligation to pay for TV rights if it's not on the terms they want. The contract's up for renewal over the close season, this is the point it will be re-negotiated. I fail to see how the loss of one of the biggest clubs, and consequently Scottish Football's only fixture that sells to a worldwide audience can't be such a major factor in negotiating the contract.

 

I'd say it's far from bribery, merely a big company being prudent with their money. There are many guilty parties in this whole affair- SKY aren't one of them.

 

Anyway, don't think it's been posted on here yet, but here's a link to a Sheffield United blog about potential Rangers buyer Charles Green that might be of interest.

 

Charles Green, he sells the team.

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I would imagine that Doncaster has been in touch with SKY rather than the other way around. Love him or loathe him, his job is to do the best for the member clubs of the SPL and if he wasn't to be exploring the financial implications of a Rangers-free SPL he'd be badly neglecting his duties.

 

In the same breath- SKY are a business that rely on their customers the same way all businesses do. They're under no obligation to pay for TV rights if it's not on the terms they want. The contract's up for renewal over the close season, this is the point it will be re-negotiated. I fail to see how the loss of one of the biggest clubs, and consequently Scottish Football's only fixture that sells to a worldwide audience can't be such a major factor in negotiating the contract.

 

I'd say it's far from bribery, merely a big company being prudent with their money. There are many guilty parties in this whole affair- SKY aren't one of them.

 

Anyway, don't think it's been posted on here yet, but here's a link to a Sheffield United blog about potential Rangers buyer Charles Green that might be of interest.

 

Charles Green, he sells the team.

 

fair enough, but letting rangers away with years of fraud for the sake of a TV deal does not strike me as an ethical move

 

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fair enough, but letting rangers away with years of fraud for the sake of a TV deal does not strike me as an ethical move

 

Completely agree, but that would be the fault of the SPL, not of SKY.

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If they go for a newco and are stripped of their achievments it will be in the history books but we all know Rangers did 9 in a row, won UEFA cup etc, I feel they may be punished but the word will still be they won those trophies, don't think you will change many Rangers fans minds that they didn't even though it will be in black & white.

 

BP.

 

 

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apparently a pal of mine was speaking to Greame Speirs who told him SKY got in touch with Doncaster and the SPL/SFA (not sure which if not both) and told them in no uncertain terms that if Rangers are not in the SPL next season there will be no TV deal.

 

That is what I would imagine is called bribery, and perhaps UEFA/FIFA should step in to not allow such things to happen?

 

they forbid political interference in football, why not corporate?

 

 

More blackmail, I would guess!

RIP New Order...

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I would imagine that Doncaster has been in touch with SKY rather than the other way around. Love him or loathe him, his job is to do the best for the member clubs of the SPL and if he wasn't to be exploring the financial implications of a Rangers-free SPL he'd be badly neglecting his duties.

 

In the same breath- SKY are a business that rely on their customers the same way all businesses do. They're under no obligation to pay for TV rights if it's not on the terms they want. The contract's up for renewal over the close season, this is the point it will be re-negotiated. I fail to see how the loss of one of the biggest clubs, and consequently Scottish Football's only fixture that sells to a worldwide audience can't be such a major factor in negotiating the contract.

 

I'd say it's far from bribery, merely a big company being prudent with their money. There are many guilty parties in this whole affair- SKY aren't one of them.

 

Anyway, don't think it's been posted on here yet, but here's a link to a Sheffield United blog about potential Rangers buyer Charles Green that might be of interest.

 

Charles Green, he sells the team.

 

I'm not sure I agree here if something is affecting the natural course of justice then it isn't right. I know what you're saying about his role and Sky's but it still shouldn't get in the way of making decisions. What if the transfer embargo stands and they get relegated? Are we going to get Sky blocking that as well?

 

Football in this country is finished if we are basically saying that two teams can't have sanctions placed upon them that are relevant to what they have done. If this was Hearts or someone else there probably wouldn't be a second thought about demoting them so it should be no different here regardless of money. It might have a knock on effect for a while but that is just something we will have to face and get on with.

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This whole thing is really starting to smell. There are too many cosy relationships such as:

 

1) Whyte uses the same people who advised on his takeover to handle te administration.

2) Green and Doncaster worked together at Sheffield United

3) Who are the buying consortium?

4) The way Whyte acquired Rangers and the way he ran the business is just so ridiculous as to suggest he was trying to put it in as bad a position as possible - why? Could it be to make it as unattractive as possible to a buyer other than one he wanted?

 

Is the desired end product to be that RFC is acquired for next to nothing in a NewCo, sitting in the SPL with no sanctions applied , owning a few juicy assets such as Murray Park, the car parks, etc and a lucrative TV deal?

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Everyone is talking about SKY pulling the plug are ESPN still in ?

 

If they are what is the issue here? they still have a tv deal which is better than nothing.

 

Doncaster is chasing the big money from SKY all at the expense of fairness.

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If they go for a newco and are stripped of their achievments it will be in the history books but we all know Rangers did 9 in a row, won UEFA cup etc, I feel they may be punished but the word will still be they won those trophies, don't think you will change many Rangers fans minds that they didn't even though it will be in black & white.

 

BP.

Have they? :huh: I'm sure it was the cup winner's cup.

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If they go for a newco and are stripped of their achievments it will be in the history books but we all know Rangers did 9 in a row, won UEFA cup etc, I feel they may be punished but the word will still be they won those trophies, don't think you will change many Rangers fans minds that they didn't even though it will be in black & white.

 

BP.

 

 

Pretty much the same as Airdrie Utd listing all of Airdrieonians achievements under Airdrie Utd.

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Pretty much the same as Airdrie Utd listing all of Airdrieonians achievements under Airdrie Utd.

 

I've never seen Airdrieonians' achievements being listed by Airdrie United as their own. On the contrary I've seen the SFL list Airdrie United as having inherited Clydebank's which I'd imagine they wouldn't want to inherit.

 

Can you tell me where you've seen otherwise?

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I've never seen Airdrieonians' achievements being listed by Airdrie United as their own. On the contrary I've seen the SFL list Airdrie United as having inherited Clydebank's which I'd imagine they wouldn't want to inherit.

 

Can you tell me where you've seen otherwise?

 

 

In Airdrie Utd match programme from last game of the season a few years back.

 

 

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In Airdrie Utd match programme from last game of the season a few years back.

 

Really??

 

I don't have that particular match programme, but I have the one from the 6-1 win there earlier in the season, which has no honours list whatsoever on it.

 

Subsequent Match programmes from games at Airdrie in 2009-10 list the club's only honours as the 2004 Second Division Championship and the 2008 Challenge Cup- no mention of honours previously won by Airdrieonains.

 

Whilst I wouldn't be surprised that in the programme for that particular match they may well have alluded to previous successes of Airdrieonains, I would really doubt that they actually listed the successes as their own considering they hadn't done previously and subsequently didn't. Airdrie United appear very careful to me not to claim Airdrieonians honours as their own, whilst celebrating them. Were these honours actually listed as belonging to Airdrie United?

 

http://airdriefc.com/history.html

 

Official website does not even mention Clydebank.

 

Yes, and the article is careful to differentiate between Airdrieonians and Airdrie United by referring to the period of 1878-2002, and there's no official listing of any club honours on the website.

 

The club making no mention of Clydebank is also unsurprising, and merely backs up my point that they would be reluctant to inherit the honours of Clydebank. However, that doesn't detract from the fact that the authorities consider the honours previously won by Clydebank to now be those of Airdrie United.

 

http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/club/airdrie-united/

 

At no point have I ever seen Airdrie United claiming those honours as their own, and if in the unlikely event that they did at that point, it certainly wouldn't appear to be the case now.

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Really??

 

I don't have that particular match programme, but I have the one from the 6-1 win there earlier in the season, which has no honours list whatsoever on it.

 

Subsequent Match programmes from games at Airdrie in 2009-10 list the club's only honours as the 2004 Second Division Championship and the 2008 Challenge Cup- no mention of honours previously won by Airdrieonains.

 

Whilst I wouldn't be surprised that in the programme for that particular match they may well have alluded to previous successes of Airdrieonains, I would really doubt that they actually listed the successes as their own considering they hadn't done previously and subsequently didn't. Airdrie United appear very careful to me not to claim Airdrieonians honours as their own, whilst celebrating them. Were these honours actually listed as belonging to Airdrie United?

Yes, and the article is careful to differentiate between Airdrieonians and Airdrie United by referring to the period of 1878-2002, and there's no official listing of any club honours on the website.

 

The club making no mention of Clydebank is also unsurprising, and merely backs up my point that they would be reluctant to inherit the honours of Clydebank. However, that doesn't detract from the fact that the authorities consider the honours previously won by Clydebank to now be those of Airdrie United.

 

http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/club/airdrie-united/

 

At no point have I ever seen Airdrie United claiming those honours as their own, and if in the unlikely event that they did at that point, it certainly wouldn't appear to be the case now.

 

Toby is correct and certainly up until recently, Airdrie Utd's record top scorer was Ken Eadie.

 

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