GiGi Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Not really any room for sentiment in this one. He's proven from the off that he isn't close to good enough, therefore he needs to be binned. The ideal situation would be that he'd go in a huff and slink off back down to whatever pub team he came from. Largely true but he had one real save to make on Saturday and he made it. And likely was a big part of winning the game since we were tragic in the first half. That said, I'd still be dropping him this weekend. Peter Weatherson is the greatest player since Ritchie, and should be assigned 'chairman for life' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Not really any room for sentiment in this one. He's proven from the off that he isn't close to good enough, therefore he needs to be binned. The ideal situation would be that he'd go in a huff and slink off back down to whatever pub team he came from. So if Rogers ever gets injured we're putting van Shite in goal and then need to sign yet another keeper - great idea. The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EanieMeany Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 So if Rogers ever gets injured we're putting van Shite in goal and then need to sign yet another keeper - great idea. If (and it's a huge if as it's really not likely to happen) Ramsbottom asked to be released from his contract his wage would be available to sign another 'keeper. I've no idea what the going rate is, but I'd be fairly sure that the wage that entices somebody to relocate from England would be enough to get somebody competent. Again, it's not likely to happen but if we could offload a dud early on then it'd be a handy turn of events. AWMSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I've no idea what the going rate is, but I'd be fairly sure that the wage that entices somebody to relocate from England would be enough to get somebody competent. We're talking about 'Alfreton Town' here rather than a real football club, so I'm not convinced that it would. The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamOakTree Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 As long as Hopkin doesn't do some moronic 'Ramsbottom's penalty saves got us into this round so he deserves to play' pish then Saturday just got a wee bit more appealing. This would be remarkably inconsistent given that Hopkin’s thankfully just recognised that his most critical need was to bring in a decent goalkeeper or risk changing a potential Premiership play-off spot for a 1st Division version. He’s had to be decisive here to ensure our defence can play their normal game without constantly looking over their shoulders. Whether this was funded by MCT or whoever, it’s 100% the correct call to make our season worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 This would be remarkably inconsistent given that Hopkin’s thankfully just recognised that his most critical need was to bring in a decent goalkeeper or risk changing a potential Premiership play-off spot for a 1st Division version. He’s had to be decisive here to ensure our defence can play their normal game without constantly looking over their shoulders. Whether this was funded by MCT or whoever, it’s 100% the correct call to make our season worthwhile. Well no, we have absolutely no evidence to suggest he did it for any reason other than the fact we have 1 solitary goalkeeper and have either had a child or nobody on the bench and just today he is talking about the 2 now competing for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrodelawasp Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 “It’s going to be great to see Sam and Danny challenging for the number one spot and it will bring us plenty of options in the goalkeeping position.†By “plenty of options†I presume the manager means “precisely two options.†Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamOakTree Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Well no, we have absolutely no evidence to suggest he did it for any reason other than the fact we have 1 solitary goalkeeper and have either had a child or nobody on the bench and just today he is talking about the 2 now competing for a start. Sorry but all he’s doing there is trying not to make Ramsbottom realise his signing was a mistake initiated by the new goalkeeping coach/chief scout. Try to keep him content whilst ensuring we have the competent replacement we need to have a decent season. In a nutshell, cut his losses now before it’s too late! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigB Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I can see Ramsbottom lasting until January then leaving after warming the bench on a mutual parting of the ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamOakTree Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Feel for the boy but unfortunately for him and fortunately for us he’s been found out quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbru Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 He’s not been that bad the last few games, not good enough but maybe a spell in the reserves and full time football will help him along as a second choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamOakTree Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Yeah, sounds as though he has a good attitude but Hopkin needs to put the team first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ton4life Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Had a meaningful save on Saturday and a few at Ayr but sadly not really up to Championship standard. That said penalty save v QOS more than covered his wage for the season and we need a backup/bench keeper. So I am willing to let him play for the reserves and see if he can improve and get to the required level. If not I am sure Hoppy will do the right thing come January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BishyTON Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 That said penalty save v QOS more than covered his wage for the season Sorry but not having that. We only needed to win the shootout due to him being so awful during the game. Mon the Ton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BishopBrennan Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Had a meaningful save on Saturday and a few at Ayr but sadly not really up to Championship standard. That said penalty save v QOS more than covered his wage for the season and we need a backup/bench keeper. So I am willing to let him play for the reserves and see if he can improve and get to the required level. If not I am sure Hoppy will do the right thing come January. Yes, or to look at it more objectively, his fuck ups nearly cost us £40k plus whatever we make out of the match on Saturday. You address me by my proper title, you little bollocks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EanieMeany Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Sorry but not having that. We only needed to win the shootout due to him being so awful during the game. Indeed. I've posted this a few times, but as a general rule, making saves now and again doesn't mean you're a good keeper, and saving penalties definitely doesn't. Nobody's ever suggested that even the worst keeper won't stop most efforts (at least in most games) that come his way, it's the bare minimum of being a goalkeeper even if you're not a good one - at the risk of sounding like I'm trying to downplay the role (I'm not), an outfield player in goal would probably make a few saves too. It's not the benchmark. Your positioning, footwork, one-on-ones, ability to deal with cross balls, being able to catch the ball/push it safe rather than back into danger and simply not making mistakes all the time are the kind of things that really make a keeper. If you can't do those well, then the ability to make some saves doesn't really come into play (unless, I suppose, you're uncommonly good at it). AWMSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Toon Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Indeed. I've posted this a few times, but as a general rule, making saves now and again doesn't mean you're a good keeper, and saving penalties definitely doesn't. Nobody's ever suggested that even the worst keeper won't stop most efforts (at least in most games) that come his way, it's the bare minimum of being a goalkeeper even if you're not a good one - at the risk of sounding like I'm trying to downplay the role (I'm not), an outfield player in goal would probably make a few saves too. It's not the benchmark. Your positioning, footwork, one-on-ones, ability to deal with cross balls, being able to catch the ball/push it safe rather than back into danger and simply not making mistakes all the time are the kind of things that really make a keeper. If you can't do those well, then the ability to make some saves doesn't really come into play (unless, I suppose, you're uncommonly good at it). Absolutely correct. There are a lot of really good shot stoppers who never make the grade as goalies because they can't master the rest which you've summarised above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Ramsbottom isn't at the 'good shot-stopper' level yet either as his basic technique for making saves is completely wrong, see his volleyball slap of a header onto the post - and very nearly into the top corner - at Ayr just before their second goal. He never gets his body behind the stop properly. There's no reason why he shouldn't serve as backup to Rogers on the bench, get some game time in the development squad and try to improve his game substantially through full-time training for the rest of the season though. We let Jamie McGowan do that long enough until finding his natural level in the top flight of the Juniors. It might be tricky for Hopkin to man-manage that situation - we don't want a disillusioned or potentially homesick player moping round the dressing room - but fuck wasting another loan on yet another goalkeeper or whatever Bryn Halliwell figure will be a free agent once the window closes. The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before.. So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONofmemories Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Tele journo hinting at a signing shortly. TIME FOR CHANGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoon Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Nothing today sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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