Alibi Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 In all honesty six weeks would have been enough. That's what your missus will be saying in a few months... "Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Nonsense, more or less from start to finish. With such confused thinking it's little wonder you suffer from an identity crisis. Wow David, you know more about how I feel that I do, you're quite a guy! I'm not confused at all, to me things are pretty clear and straightforward, and I also think many Scots will have similar feelings to me about their national identity. I suspect many Catalans, Welsh and Basques feel the same about being the citizen of a country they have no affinity to. But I'm perfectly happy and comfortable in my own skin and my life. I do have a lack of feeling statehood but it hasn't materially affected me in any way. So definitely no 'identity crisis' here you'll be disappointed to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Edwards Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Wow David, you know more about how I feel that I do, you're quite a guy! Cheers! You're quite something yersel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro.mcghee Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 And those who wish to keep us in the Union like Milliband, Cameron, Clegg and Blair don't stay here either my point isent about staying in the union its about thes pepols prinsipels I am dyslexic and I am getting tired of your shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 my point isent about staying in the union its about thes pepols prinsipels Don't quite understand then. Are you saying they can't have an opnion or campaign for a YES vote? Don't blame me I voted Yes!!!! - We tried to tell you !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro.mcghee Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Don't quite understand then. Are you saying they can't have an opnion or campaign for a YES vote? Quite frankly yes if Connery is so committed to the cause why was he not at the event ?????? And why has he not paid uk tax for the past 30 od years. If the yes campaign (not the SNP) wishes to have a grown up debate on whether Scotland is independent we need to get past this Saltier welding bravehart believing shortbread tin mentality that a lot have will not do the campaign any fathers If we want to be a big player on the global stage we have to get past this I am dyslexic and I am getting tired of your shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Quite frankly yes if Connery is so committed to the cause why was he not at the event ?????? And why has he not paid uk tax for the past 30 od years. If the yes campaign (not the SNP) wishes to have a grown up debate on whether Scotland is independent we need to get past this Saltier welding bravehart believing shortbread tin mentality that a lot have will not do the campaign any fathers If we want to be a big player on the global stage we have to get past this I don't undertsand your post. You are criticising Connery for not paying UK Taxes and not being at the event Surely if your going to criticise him then it would be if he had actually attended whilst not paying UK Taxes??? Saltire waving braveheart shortbread tin mentality??? You've seriously lost me on that one I'm afraid. Who was doing that? Certainly wasn't at the YES campaign launch. Don't blame me I voted Yes!!!! - We tried to tell you !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro.mcghee Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 What I am saying is that he is a non-tax payer so why should I lesson to him saying Scotland will be better off indapended when he obviously does not believe it himselthe If he did he would stay hear or at least have attended what has been seen as one of the most historic days in the fight for Scotish independence. Did any of the celebrity’s get a fee for attending or did they do it out of the goodness of their hart and for their beliefs. I am saying that the grown up debate for Scotish independence is clouded by the bravehart mentality that exists in some parts. If you want me to vote Yes tell me what are we going to do about the fact that Scotland's pension liabilities are greater than Scotland's gdp or the fact that Scotland using the £ or the € means Scotland does not decide its budgets or interest . No just get me to sing up to well-meaning words that don’t actually tell me anything I am dyslexic and I am getting tired of your shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 What I am saying is that he is a non-tax payer so why should I lesson to him saying Scotland will be better off indapended when he obviously does not believe it himselthe If he did he would stay hear or at least have attended what has been seen as one of the most historic days in the fight for Scotish independence. Did any of the celebrity’s get a fee for attending or did they do it out of the goodness of their hart and for their beliefs. I am saying that the grown up debate for Scotish independence is clouded by the bravehart mentality that exists in some parts. If you want me to vote Yes tell me what are we going to do about the fact that Scotland's pension liabilities are greater than Scotland's gdp or the fact that Scotland using the £ or the € means Scotland does not decide its budgets or interest . No just get me to sing up to well-meaning words that don’t actually tell me anything Connery refuses to give the brit government his money. He gives his opinion as a Scot who believes that his country should be an independent nation. If you don't value his opnion ignore it. I heard his health isn't good right now, perhaps that's why he didn't attend? Anyway, in the big scheme of things does it matter if he was there or not? No one was paid to attend the YES campaign. The only ones who seem to be going on about Braveheart are Unionists! I have never heard Salmond or any other Scottish government Minister shout Freedom! or tell us to vote for independence because of Bruce or Wallace. As far as I'm aware neither name came up at the YES campaign.. There are those of us (like myself) who have an appreciation of history and the sacrifices that were made to keep Scotland a nation in it's own right. Again if it's not your thing then ignore it and move on as it won't have any bearing on what way Scotland will vote in the referendum. Pensions are a problem whether we stay in the Union or not. The pension age is rising as we speak. I personally believe we would be better suited as an independent country to take care of our pensioners. With our vast oil and gas reserves, renewable energy and our exports, Scotland would thrive financially. As for interest rates, well we don't decided that now within the Union. The BoE is independent of government on both sides of the border. If you prefer to vote No in the refeendum then that is your right. But voting No doesn't mean things will stay as they are right now. There is no status quo anymore with the Scotland Bill passing through both parliaments. In my opnion we haven't got enough Tax raising powers in the Bill to compensate for the reduction in the Barnet formula. Our Taxes will rise to compensate, we won't have the same level of spending as we have now meaning our public services will be cut. Education will suffer, reduced levels of police, rising Council Tax...I could go on. With the threat of independence taken away, Westminster won't give a toss for our gripes..YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! Don't blame me I voted Yes!!!! - We tried to tell you !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 What I am saying is that he is a non-tax payer so why should I lesson to him saying Scotland will be better off indapended when he obviously does not believe it himselthe If he did he would stay hear or at least have attended what has been seen as one of the most historic days in the fight for Scotish independence. Did any of the celebrity’s get a fee for attending or did they do it out of the goodness of their hart and for their beliefs. I am saying that the grown up debate for Scotish independence is clouded by the bravehart mentality that exists in some parts. If you want me to vote Yes tell me what are we going to do about the fact that Scotland's pension liabilities are greater than Scotland's gdp or the fact that Scotland using the £ or the € means Scotland does not decide its budgets or interest . No just get me to sing up to well-meaning words that don’t actually tell me anything I don't think the first point about pension liabilities is unique to Scotland; it's at least a problem in the entire UK and probably beyond. On the currency issue, my own preference is for a Scottish currency until (if ever) we decide to join a currency union such as the Euro once it's settled down. To me having our interest rates set in London is one of the reasons that we should be independent and I do not agree with SNP policy in this respect. "Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 What on earth are you on about? Taig bashing? I have no time for any religions but I certainly don't single out catholicism for special ridicule. They're all based on fairy stories... Taigs and their taigish schools do seem to cause you a great deal of annoyance do they not. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Quite frankly yes if Connery is so committed to the cause why was he not at the event ?????? Too busy smacking up his bitch? "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissiboi Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Too busy smacking up his bitch? Old Connery is about as relevant as Sir David Murray telling us to stick with the union or David Cameron or lots of others. Was there not a report saying if independence is successful Scotland and the remainder of the UK would have to reapply for EU membership , that should at least give you something positive to look for if we do reach full autonomy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Taigs and their taigish schools do seem to cause you a great deal of annoyance do they not. Not catholic schools per se; I would prefer that the education system was totally secular. That's not being against Catholic schools. It's being against all religion in schools, catholic "non-denominational", muslim, Jewish, Sikh, Hindu, Mormon, and Flying Spaghetti Monster.. "Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Old Connery is about as relevant as Sir David Murray telling us to stick with the union or David Cameron or lots of others. Was there not a report saying if independence is successful Scotland and the remainder of the UK would have to reapply for EU membership , that should at least give you something positive to look for if we do reach full autonomy. He can't give a positive case for the Union. Smears and name calling is all he has left Don't blame me I voted Yes!!!! - We tried to tell you !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdoc1874 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 He can't give a positive case for the Union. Smears and name calling is all he has left Quite similar attitude from the yes camp too, no answers, no plan, no public majority, more no's than yes's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissiboi Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Quite similar attitude from the yes camp too, no answers, no plan, no public majority, more no's than yes's. Lots of issues should be decided if we gain independence . One democratic decision at a time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdoc1874 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Lots of issues should be decided if we gain independence . One democratic decision at a time Well the majority of the voting public say no at this time, that is democracy. So we vote yes and the issues will be decided after ? no thanks, i dont want the euro, i dont want higher tax bills, i dont want minority one issue political parties dictating their policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Well the majority of the voting public say no at this time, that is democracy. So we vote yes and the issues will be decided after ? no thanks, i dont want the euro, i dont want higher tax bills, i dont want minority one issue political parties dictating their policies. Have we had the referendum already? Don't blame me I voted Yes!!!! - We tried to tell you !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie McArthur Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Have we had the referendum already? I reckon 24 months of tedium will result in a massive 'no' vote. Six weeks of happy-clappy Salmond and you might have won it. MARTY OUT!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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