Yes Scotland Campaign Launched

[Alibi]

Because they have engaged with the process? We live in sad, but interesting times.

 

Each person's peer group will throw up interesting views on the question. All of my Mum's friends are against it, but I think that is the more likely score amongst working class pensioners. I think more people will come to better decision making when they have the detail explained to them. Both groups need to avoid scaremongering, but I doubt that will happen.

 

I would agree with you about pensioners - my Mum is 92 and has been an SNP member for about 50 years, but I think among her peers she is in a minority.

 

The scaremongering seems to be a unionist tactic, possibly because they don't have an awful lot of positive things to put forward (phrases like "shared history" don't really cut it...). I can't see how the independence side could use scaremongering as a tactic seeing as how we're living in the unionist scenario at the moment and people can see how it's not working very well.

[Scott_Gillan]

If you feel strongly dont forget to sign up folks

 

http://www.yesscotland.net/declaration?recruiter_id=12599

 

I think the campign launch could have been better done if the SNP hadnt have used celebs who DONT line in Scotland therfore cant vote in referendum

[Colkitto]

If you feel strongly dont forget to sign up folks

 

http://www.yesscotland.net/declaration?recruiter_id=12599

 

I think the campign launch could have been better done if the SNP hadnt have used celebs who DONT line in Scotland therfore cant vote in referendum

 

 

Like who? I can only think of one celeb and he wasn't present.

 

 

Brian Cox was prety good I thought..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFAizFDK678

[Tom_McB]

Like who? I can only think of one celeb and he wasn't present.

Brian Cox was prety good I thought..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFAizFDK678

Cox, Elaine C and Cunningham are luvvies and slebs.

 

NeitherCox nor Cunningham lives in Scotland BTW.

 

It was marvellous to watch, a bunch of white, mainly male, old farts wittering on.

Although perhaps women stayed away as they heard that the wife beater was going to turn up.

[Tom_McB]

The only person I know who is against is (strangely) worried about catholics being persecuted in an independent Scotland, although he seems to see everything in the world as an anti-catholic conspiracy. He supports Celtic of course.

 

Mibbies he equates your continual taig bashing with your essenpee views ?

 

[Tom_McB]

Checked that Hamish McHamish's sig is still there, it is. I wonder how many fake/duplicate/triplicate sigs are there already.

[Cet Homme Charmant]

Like who? I can only think of one celeb and he wasn't present.

Brian Cox was prety good I thought..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFAizFDK678

I really liked Cox's speech as well. I could relate to much of what he said, particularly the bit about lacking a sense of identity when growing up in Scotland. I've never felt British so for me being Scottish has always felt a bit vacuous because it's not a real nation. That feeling of statelessness has only grown as I've got older and have lived abroad. I believe that this lack of identity if far more prevalent in Scotland that most will admit, and we tend to compensate for it by over over-emphesising our 'Scottishness', especially when abroad.

 

That's why I disagree strongly with the likes of Col and Alibi who continue to assert Scotland is a country. It isn't in any internationally recognised sense a sovereign state, and to continue to insist it is simply serves only to appease those who claim to be Scottish but don't want to take the resposibility to decide their own future. There is indeed an irony on all those born in Scotland and who claim in the first instance to be Scottish, but still favour remaining in the union. They can't have it both ways, Scotland can't be a sovereign nation and still remain in the UK. But to continue with this romantic notion that Scotland is already a country only gives these people the get-out clause they're looking for to vote against independence. What you're telling them in effect is, don't worry we'll still be a country even if you vote 'no'. On the contrary, everyone who votes to stay on the union is defining themselves as British before Scottish. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that of course, but that should be made crystal clear.

 

Instead of indigantly insisting Scotland is a nation when it obviously isn't, those who want independence should be saying very loudly and very clearly at every opportunity that Scotland is not a nation state and only will be if its people vote to become one, and not a day before.

[Stevie Aitken's Love Child]

Top post CHC, couldn't agree more.

[bigdoc1874]

I didn't see the great launch of the yes vote, but will endeavour to catch some of it. From posts on here i gather it was made up of snp and minor party politicians and 3rd rate celebs, was there any business leaders/ company owners present ? I personally feel very scottish despite my land of birth not being an official country. I work with a multitude of folk from different nationalities and have always been singled out as being scottish, from europeans, scandanavians and all parts of the americas. My national identity has never been an issue but there is a lot more important factors to consider if scotland can flourish as a successful nation, can we become financially independent ? can we survive with our current level of social benefits when the oil money runs dry ?

[Alibi]

Mibbies he equates your continual taig bashing with your essenpee views ?

 

What on earth are you on about? Taig bashing? I have no time for any religions but I certainly don't single out catholicism for special ridicule. They're all based on fairy stories...

[Colkitto]

Cox, Elaine C and Cunningham are luvvies and slebs.

 

NeitherCox nor Cunningham lives in Scotland BTW.

 

It was marvellous to watch, a bunch of white, mainly male, old farts wittering on.

Although perhaps women stayed away as they heard that the wife beater was going to turn up.

 

 

Who the fek is Cunningham?

 

 

Cox and Cumming will be on the voting register for the referendum.

[Colkitto]

I really liked Cox's speech as well. I could relate to much of what he said, particularly the bit about lacking a sense of identity when growing up in Scotland. I've never felt British so for me being Scottish has always felt a bit vacuous because it's not a real nation. That feeling of statelessness has only grown as I've got older and have lived abroad. I believe that this lack of identity if far more prevalent in Scotland that most will admit, and we tend to compensate for it by over over-emphesising our 'Scottishness', especially when abroad.

 

That's why I disagree strongly with the likes of Col and Alibi who continue to assert Scotland is a country. It isn't in any internationally recognised sense a sovereign state, and to continue to insist it is simply serves only to appease those who claim to be Scottish but don't want to take the resposibility to decide their own future. There is indeed an irony on all those born in Scotland and who claim in the first instance to be Scottish, but still favour remaining in the union. They can't have it both ways, Scotland can't be a sovereign nation and still remain in the UK. But to continue with this romantic notion that Scotland is already a country only gives these people the get-out clause they're looking for to vote against independence. What you're telling them in effect is, don't worry we'll still be a country even if you vote 'no'. On the contrary, everyone who votes to stay on the union is defining themselves as British before Scottish. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that of course, but that should be made crystal clear.

 

Instead of indigantly insisting Scotland is a nation when it obviously isn't, those who want independence should be saying very loudly and very clearly at every opportunity that Scotland is not a nation state and only will be if its people vote to become one, and not a day before.

 

 

Scotland is a country, in a political union with England. The political State is called the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

Whether other countries recognise Scotland as another country is upto them. It still doesn't take away the fact that we are a country.

 

[Cet Homme Charmant]

Scotland is a country, in a political union with England. The political State is called the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

Whether other countries recognise Scotland as another country is upto them. It still doesn't take away the fact that we are a country.

Oh good, that's it settled then, phew.

 

In that case if Scotland's a country I've just a few questions. Why doesn't Scotland have a seat on the UN? Who is Scotland's foreign minister? And why isn't he invited to any EU meetings of foreign ministers? Where are the Scottish embassies throughout the world? Why are there no foreign embassies in Edinburgh? Why don't we have Scottish passports? Did the Scottish prime minister and parliament agree to send Scottish troops to Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

You live in cloud cuckoo land Col. Read what I said and try to take it in. This pish is sending out the wrong message.

 

I'm slowly but surely coming to the conclusion that you and Alibi are in fact unionist plants on here.

[Davie McArthur]

Excellent. Two more years of this. Fantastic.

[bigdoc1874]

Oh good, that's it settled then, phew.

 

In that case if Scotland's a country I've just a few questions. Why doesn't Scotland have a seat on the UN? Who is Scotland's foreign minister? And why isn't he invited to any EU meetings of foreign ministers? Where are the Scottish embassies throughout the world? Why are there no foreign embassies in Edinburgh? Why don't we have Scottish passports? Did the Scottish prime minister and parliament agree to send Scottish troops to Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

You live in cloud cuckoo land Col. Read what I said and try to take it in. This pish is sending out the wrong message.

 

I'm slowly but surely coming to the conclusion that you and Alibi are in fact unionist plants on here.

 

Look what this debate has dragged up, im agreeing with this fellow poster !! What would an independent scotland bring to the world table, nothing, it wont change nothing apart from the fact we would have a country officially.

[Colkitto]

Oh good, that's it settled then, phew.

 

In that case if Scotland's a country I've just a few questions. Why doesn't Scotland have a seat on the UN? Who is Scotland's foreign minister? And why isn't he invited to any EU meetings of foreign ministers? Where are the Scottish embassies throughout the world? Why are there no foreign embassies in Edinburgh? Why don't we have Scottish passports? Did the Scottish prime minister and parliament agree to send Scottish troops to Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

You live in cloud cuckoo land Col. Read what I said and try to take it in. This pish is sending out the wrong message.

 

I'm slowly but surely coming to the conclusion that you and Alibi are in fact unionist plants on here.

 

 

We are not represented at the UN because we are in a political union with other countries. Doesn't stop us being a country.

You are saying because we are not recognised by certain world bodies we are not a country, I disagree.

 

We as Scotland have our own Laws, not UK Laws, recognised world wide. For instance it was Scottish judges who tried Megrahi, under Scots Law. It was also a Scottish government that released him.

 

Outside politics our country is recognised with organisations such as FIFA who let us participate as Scotland the country in World Cups for instance.

 

We are a country that doesn't have the full powers of most individual countries around the world because of the union we are in, but we are a country nonetheless.

 

 

 

[Guest David Edwards]

I really liked Cox's speech as well. I could relate to much of what he said, particularly the bit about lacking a sense of identity when growing up in Scotland. I've never felt British so for me being Scottish has always felt a bit vacuous because it's not a real nation. That feeling of statelessness has only grown as I've got older and have lived abroad. I believe that this lack of identity if far more prevalent in Scotland that most will admit, and we tend to compensate for it by over over-emphesising our 'Scottishness', especially when abroad.

 

That's why I disagree strongly with the likes of Col and Alibi who continue to assert Scotland is a country. It isn't in any internationally recognised sense a sovereign state, and to continue to insist it is simply serves only to appease those who claim to be Scottish but don't want to take the resposibility to decide their own future. There is indeed an irony on all those born in Scotland and who claim in the first instance to be Scottish, but still favour remaining in the union. They can't have it both ways, Scotland can't be a sovereign nation and still remain in the UK. But to continue with this romantic notion that Scotland is already a country only gives these people the get-out clause they're looking for to vote against independence. What you're telling them in effect is, don't worry we'll still be a country even if you vote 'no'. On the contrary, everyone who votes to stay on the union is defining themselves as British before Scottish. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that of course, but that should be made crystal clear.

 

Instead of indigantly insisting Scotland is a nation when it obviously isn't, those who want independence should be saying very loudly and very clearly at every opportunity that Scotland is not a nation state and only will be if its people vote to become one, and not a day before.

 

Nonsense, more or less from start to finish. With such confused thinking it's little wonder you suffer from an identity crisis.

 

Scotland is a country, in a political union with England. The political State is called the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

Whether other countries recognise Scotland as another country is upto them. It still doesn't take away the fact that we are a country.

 

Oh yes indeed, more or less exactly, but with one slight correction. The political state's name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Not a country or even a nation as such, but a political construct as confused and unrepresentative as an absentee landlord.

 

You live in cloud cuckoo land Col.

 

No he doesn't. Unlike you he lives in Scotland.

 

Read what I said and try to take it in. This pish is sending out the wrong message.

I took that in alright.

 

Excellent. Two more years of this. Fantastic.

 

Isn't it just. Debate is nearly always worthwhile, whatever the level. There was a programme on BBC Scotland tonight, entitled 'The Great Debate', debating the pros and cons of independence. I disagreed with everyone on the panel except Patrick Harvie.

[Alibi]

Nonsense, more or less from start to finish. With such confused thinking it's little wonder you suffer from an identity crisis.

Oh yes indeed, more or less exactly, but with one slight correction. The political state's name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Not a country or even a nation as such, but a political construct as confused and unrepresentative as an absentee landlord.

 

 

 

No he doesn't. Unlike you he lives in Scotland.

I took that in alright.

Isn't it just. Debate is nearly always worthwhile, whatever the level. There was a programme on BBC Scotland tonight, entitled 'The Great Debate', debating the pros and cons of independence. I disagreed with everyone on the panel except Patrick Harvie.

 

Perfectly put, David. I agree with every word you say, although I'll exempt Nicola Sturgeon because I hardly heard a word she said due to Ruth Davidson talking over her incessantly. I don't think Nicola's terribly good at these panel debates anyway as she's not vicious enough.

[Guest David Edwards]

Perfectly put, David. I agree with every word you say, although I'll exempt Nicola Sturgeon because I hardly heard a word she said due to Ruth Davidson talking over her incessantly. I don't think Nicola's terribly good at these panel debates anyway as she's not vicious enough.

 

You do surprise me.

[Davie McArthur]

In all honesty six weeks would have been enough.