puggsy_ton Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 http://www.yesscotland.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro.mcghee Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 more "keen" Scottish Nationalist whose principals don't extend to actually living in the country. I am dyslexic and I am getting tired of your shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malt Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 YES, YES, YES!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 more "keen" Scottish Nationalist whose principals don't extend to actually living in the country. And those who wish to keep us in the Union like Milliband, Cameron, Clegg and Blair don't stay here either Don't blame me I voted Yes!!!! - We tried to tell you !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Hamish McHamish has now signed up. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 YES, YES, YES!!!! Chanelling your inner Meg Ryan? "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 He's on the drink again Hamish McHamish has now signed up. Don't blame me I voted Yes!!!! - We tried to tell you !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EanieMeany Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I notice a pic of the Lyle Hill has been used as the picture in the West of Scotland section I kinda wish the SNP would stop using all these minor celebrities to aid their cause, who cares what Martin Compston thinks? Less glitz, more fact. AWMSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cet Homme Charmant Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I notice a pic of the Lyle Hill has been used as the picture in the West of Scotland section I kinda wish the SNP would stop using all these minor celebrities to aid their cause, who cares what Martin Compston thinks? Less glitz, more fact. YesScotland isn't exclusively ran by and supported by the SNP, but also by the Greens, SSP, Margo MacDonald, people of no political party, and even some Labour and Lib Dem supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAFKAC Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 And those who wish to keep us in the Union like Milliband, Cameron, Clegg and Blair don't stay here either Do you ever think before you post? All of the above pay tax to the UK exchequer and want the UK to stay together as a political entity. They might be wrong in their belief to keep the entity they belong to together, but their view carries significantly more credibility than that of someone who contributes nothing to current set up. And using them to front a campaign loses the campaign credibility. These will be interesting days. Hopefully the debate will grow up as the campaigns continue. "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Do you ever think before you post? All of the above pay tax to the UK exchequer and want the UK to stay together as a political entity. They might be wrong in their belief to keep the entity they belong to together, but their view carries significantly more credibility than that of someone who contributes nothing to current set up. And using them to front a campaign loses the campaign credibility. These will be interesting days. Hopefully the debate will grow up as the campaigns continue. Quite frankly that's a load of bollox! Scotland's constitutonal future will be decided by Scots, not Oxbridge educated toffs like Cameron or Milliband. Don't blame me I voted Yes!!!! - We tried to tell you !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 He's on the drink again Haven't quite worked out the code function then. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Quite frankly that's a load of bollox! Scotland's constitutonal future will be decided by Scots, not Oxbridge educated toffs like Cameron or Milliband. Nor wife beating scumbags like shir shaun canary "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAFKAC Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Quite frankly that's a load of bollox! Scotland's constitutonal future will be decided by Scots, not Oxbridge educated toffs like Cameron or Milliband. Where did i say that flashman and mr bean would make the decision? I said that their views carried more weight with rational people as they are part of the entity that's up for debate. I said that I hoped that the debate would grow up, but you obviously disagree. You also need to do something about that chip on your shoulder. Yes Scotland is an interesting coalition, but if it is playing the lowest common denominator card of putting up actors who don't live in Scotland, or pay taxes that benefit the people they're telling what to do, then it lacks credibility. There are lots of great arguments for Scottish independence - Sean Connery and Alan Cumming aren't two of them. "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Where did i say that flashman and mr bean would make the decision? I said that their views carried more weight with rational people as they are part of the entity that's up for debate. I said that I hoped that the debate would grow up, but you obviously disagree. You also need to do something about that chip on your shoulder. Yes Scotland is an interesting coalition, but if it is playing the lowest common denominator card of putting up actors who don't live in Scotland, or pay taxes that benefit the people they're telling what to do, then it lacks credibility. There are lots of great arguments for Scottish independence - Sean Connery and Alan Cumming aren't two of them. Brian Cox and Alan Cumming are two Scots who will be on the voting register for the referendum vote. They have more of a credible opinion than any English toff. They are two very popular and successful actors who are known throughout the world. They want to see Scotland prosper as an independent country in her own right. They were very welcome to join the YES referendum launch and I'm glad they did. If you believe more people in Scotland will pay more credence to what Camerson and Milliband say than Cox and Cumming then you're living in cloud cuckoo land. Don't blame me I voted Yes!!!! - We tried to tell you !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Nor wife beating scumbags like shir shaun canary Are we going to go through the same argument? Lord Laidlaw for instance? Rather than bring up tired and worn out accusations, why not give us positives for Scotland staying in the Union? You have been very silent on that despite being asked on numerous occaisions to do so. Don't blame me I voted Yes!!!! - We tried to tell you !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAFKAC Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Brian Cox and Alan Cumming are two Scots who will be on the voting register for the referendum vote. They have more of a credible opinion than any English toff. They are two very popular and successful actors who are known throughout the world. They want to see Scotland prosper as an independent country in her own right. They were very welcome to join the YES referendum launch and I'm glad they did. If you believe more people in Scotland will pay more credence to what Camerson and Milliband say than Cox and Cumming then you're living in cloud cuckoo land. I would hate to live in a world where the views of actors have greater credence than those of elected politicians. Why do you think that what actors think is important? Are we going to go through the same argument? Lord Laidlaw for instance? Is Lord Laidlaw at the front of a campaign to tell people how to vote. Both are repugnant individuals. "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 I would hate to live in a world where the views of actors have greater credence than those of elected politicians. Why do you think that what actors think is important? People relate to people they see on television and in movies, that's why actors ae so prominent in the elections in the USA for instance. They were two highly successful Scots actors who were entitled to give their views and backing to the YES Campaign. Actors and celebs getting involved in campaigns happens in many countries throughout the world - Scotland is no different. Don't blame me I voted Yes!!!! - We tried to tell you !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 I would hate to live in a world where the views of actors have greater credence than those of elected politicians. Why do you think that what actors think is important? Why should politician's views carry any greater weight than the views of anyone else? Personally I wouldn't be swayed by an actor being for or aginst something but for some reason the cult of the celebrity dictates that celebrities should be rolled out to endorse campaigns. I'm more likely to listen to people for whom I have respect which they have earned, and I'd include Canavan in that BTW. I know it's not scientific, but my distinct impression from just speaking to friends and colleagues is that very few are against independence. I have been astonished how many of them are strongly for it. I don't think any of them are politically active or members of any party as far as I know, but this stuff about only a third of people being in favour of independence doesn't sound at all in line with my impression of people's attitudes. The only person I know who is against is (strangely) worried about catholics being persecuted in an independent Scotland, although he seems to see everything in the world as an anti-catholic conspiracy. He supports Celtic of course. "Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAFKAC Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Why should politician's views carry any greater weight than the views of anyone else? Personally I wouldn't be swayed by an actor being for or aginst something but for some reason the cult of the celebrity dictates that celebrities should be rolled out to endorse campaigns. I'm more likely to listen to people for whom I have respect which they have earned, and I'd include Canavan in that BTW. I know it's not scientific, but my distinct impression from just speaking to friends and colleagues is that very few are against independence. I have been astonished how many of them are strongly for it. I don't think any of them are politically active or members of any party as far as I know, but this stuff about only a third of people being in favour of independence doesn't sound at all in line with my impression of people's attitudes. The only person I know who is against is (strangely) worried about catholics being persecuted in an independent Scotland, although he seems to see everything in the world as an anti-catholic conspiracy. He supports Celtic of course. Because they have engaged with the process? We live in sad, but interesting times. Each person's peer group will throw up interesting views on the question. All of my Mum's friends are against it, but I think that is the more likely score amongst working class pensioners. I think more people will come to better decision making when they have the detail explained to them. Both groups need to avoid scaremongering, but I doubt that will happen. "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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