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if someone can explain to me what created a mixture of gasses that then mixed causing the big bang ( as heard on your transistor radio) and how this then created a univesre of many galaxies and lots and lots of planets and some people too thats better than my god did it explaination i will accept he is not real!

 

If someone can satisfactorily explain to me who created God, then I'll believe in God.

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In fact Tom, Einstein did not believe in god, although some of his remarks were taken as implying that. I don't have the reference to hand, but there is a statement made by Einstein that makes it clear that he is not a believer.

 

IMHO god is a man-made concept. If you start from that standpoint, the whole business (and actually when I think about it, it is a business) of religions of all varieties simply appears ludicrous.

 

He was not a believer, nor a disbeliever.

 

He was agnostic.

 

You are not, nor am I.

 

As I said, Sean knows better than Einstein. :rolleyes:


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If someone can satisfactorily explain to me who created God, then I'll believe in God.

Crap point.

 

Tell me who created the world and I'll believe that the world exists. :lol:

 


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in regards to there being no god. If you dont believe in god and dont live the way god wants you when you die and you are in fact correct then big deal as there's nothing after life anyway.

 

If you dont believe in god and dont live the way god wants you if you die and find out in fact he's real then pity you.

 

So why take the gamble?

 

Because if that's your only reason for believing in God then you can't really believe in him anyway. You are, in effect, forcing yourself to believe in him just to cover all the bases.

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Here we go round the mulberry bush.

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I am god.

 

Fetch me a kebab.

 

Hah, found out. Kebabs are the Devil's food, only enjoyed by insensate inchoate inebriates.


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in regards to there being no god. If you dont believe in god and dont live the way god wants you when you die and you are in fact correct then big deal as there's nothing after life anyway.

 

If you dont believe in god and dont live the way god wants you if you die and find out in fact he's real then pity you.

 

So why take the gamble?

 

Cos there's more to it than that. There's been loads of different religions through history, each with their own gods, who's to say you're believing in the right one? And most of them can be a bit jealous as well, so you can't believe in them all to cover your bases.

 

if someone can explain to me what created a mixture of gasses that then mixed causing the big bang ( as heard on your transistor radio) and how this then created a univesre of many galaxies and lots and lots of planets and some people too thats better than my god did it explaination i will accept he is not real!

 

That's not really how it goes - the idea is that the big bang was the beginning of time and space, there is nothing before time just like there's nothing north of the north pole. Scientists are always coming up with hypotheses about what if anything lies outside the universe and how it came about, but they don't say "God did it" because that just leads to "then where did He come from?" It's taken millions of years of evolution to produce human intelligence, is it really likely that a god-like intelligence can come out of nowhere?

 

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He was not a believer, nor a disbeliever.

 

He was agnostic.

 

You are not, nor am I.

 

As I said, Sean knows better than Einstein. :rolleyes:

 

 

Are we not really all agnostics though? - none of us actually knows the answers with 100% certainty.

 

Although the probability of god existing is pretty low given that that theory is just one of an infinite number of probabilities.

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if religion didnt exist then man would find some other flag to fly which he could kill in the name of so dont bother blaming religion for war.

 

while not religious myself, i do believe that it can be a positive thing, as all religions (which i am aware of anyway) are pretty much based on the same principles of living a good life, loving your brother etc. if religious beliefs help certain people to find meaning and lead a good life then whats the problem? Also religions and religious organisations do a lot of good work for charity which should not be underestimated.

 

If you expect religious folks to respect your choice not to be a believer, then you in return should respect their faith

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Crap point.

 

Tell me who created the world and I'll believe that the world exists. :lol:

 

Your point is also crap. I can easily satisfy myself that the world exists - it's right there in front of me. How can I verify God exists? Exactly. x

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Your point is also crap. I can easily satisfy myself that the world exists - it's right there in front of me. How can I verify God exists? Exactly. x

 

My point is crap! My seconds will meet your thirds to discuss a meeting on the field of honour. :rolleyes:

 

 

 


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To say there is definately no God would be as ridiculous as saying there definately is one as it would require putting your faith in the unknown. 99% is as far as you can stretch without becoming hypocritical.

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none of us actually knows the answers with 100% certainty.

 

Careful now, talking sense in this forum, you can get arrested for that.

 

Although the probability of god existing is pretty low given that that theory is just one of an infinite number of probabilities.

 

Don't think that probability works like that, if it did we could conclude that a God either exists or doesn't, thus there is a 50% chance that God exists.

 

As I say, fairly certain that probability theory does not work like that and can offer no light on the question.

 

 

 

 

 


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