SramTon Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 if someone can explain to me what created a mixture of gasses that then mixed causing the big bang ( as heard on your transistor radio) and how this then created a univesre of many galaxies and lots and lots of planets and some people too thats better than my god did it explaination i will accept he is not real! If someone can satisfactorily explain to me who created God, then I'll believe in God. Look at her riding pillions on Davy’s sea-bike, carrying an apoplectic macaw in a silver hoop. Oh, Morton, let’s go there this winter! Or learning the Japanese chinchona from that Kobe group, in a dress that looks like a blowtorch rising from one knee, and which should sell big in Texas. Morton, is that real fire? Happy, happy little girl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 How far back does time go? And what came before then? Peter Weatherson is the greatest player since Ritchie, and should be assigned 'chairman for life' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 In fact Tom, Einstein did not believe in god, although some of his remarks were taken as implying that. I don't have the reference to hand, but there is a statement made by Einstein that makes it clear that he is not a believer. IMHO god is a man-made concept. If you start from that standpoint, the whole business (and actually when I think about it, it is a business) of religions of all varieties simply appears ludicrous. He was not a believer, nor a disbeliever. He was agnostic. You are not, nor am I. As I said, Sean knows better than Einstein. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 If someone can satisfactorily explain to me who created God, then I'll believe in God. Crap point. Tell me who created the world and I'll believe that the world exists. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotia morton Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 God played for Morton! Used the Name Andy Ritchie! Praise the lord!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deego Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I am god. Fetch me a kebab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonaTon Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 in regards to there being no god. If you dont believe in god and dont live the way god wants you when you die and you are in fact correct then big deal as there's nothing after life anyway. If you dont believe in god and dont live the way god wants you if you die and find out in fact he's real then pity you. So why take the gamble? Because if that's your only reason for believing in God then you can't really believe in him anyway. You are, in effect, forcing yourself to believe in him just to cover all the bases. Twitter - JMitchell82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonjag Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Here we go round the mulberry bush. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they pretend to befriend you, then you win! YER BARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Here we go round the mulberry bush. Indeed, btw, welcome back ya carnaptious alud booger. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I am god. Fetch me a kebab. Hah, found out. Kebabs are the Devil's food, only enjoyed by insensate inchoate inebriates. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I am god. Fetch me a kebab. It's a vision the flock will set up a pilgrimage to see Ma Donner Remember The Alamo --- MORTON 5 THE MIDDEN BUT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonTon Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 in regards to there being no god. If you dont believe in god and dont live the way god wants you when you die and you are in fact correct then big deal as there's nothing after life anyway. If you dont believe in god and dont live the way god wants you if you die and find out in fact he's real then pity you. So why take the gamble? Cos there's more to it than that. There's been loads of different religions through history, each with their own gods, who's to say you're believing in the right one? And most of them can be a bit jealous as well, so you can't believe in them all to cover your bases. if someone can explain to me what created a mixture of gasses that then mixed causing the big bang ( as heard on your transistor radio) and how this then created a univesre of many galaxies and lots and lots of planets and some people too thats better than my god did it explaination i will accept he is not real! That's not really how it goes - the idea is that the big bang was the beginning of time and space, there is nothing before time just like there's nothing north of the north pole. Scientists are always coming up with hypotheses about what if anything lies outside the universe and how it came about, but they don't say "God did it" because that just leads to "then where did He come from?" It's taken millions of years of evolution to produce human intelligence, is it really likely that a god-like intelligence can come out of nowhere? I was a professional twice over — an analyst and a therapist. The world’s first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 He was not a believer, nor a disbeliever. He was agnostic. You are not, nor am I. As I said, Sean knows better than Einstein. Are we not really all agnostics though? - none of us actually knows the answers with 100% certainty. Although the probability of god existing is pretty low given that that theory is just one of an infinite number of probabilities. "Any nation given the opportunity to regain its national sovereignty and which then rejects it is so far beneath contempt that it is hard to put words to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greacen2000 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 if religion didnt exist then man would find some other flag to fly which he could kill in the name of so dont bother blaming religion for war. while not religious myself, i do believe that it can be a positive thing, as all religions (which i am aware of anyway) are pretty much based on the same principles of living a good life, loving your brother etc. if religious beliefs help certain people to find meaning and lead a good life then whats the problem? Also religions and religious organisations do a lot of good work for charity which should not be underestimated. If you expect religious folks to respect your choice not to be a believer, then you in return should respect their faith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozehound Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Crap point. Tell me who created the world and I'll believe that the world exists. Your point is also crap. I can easily satisfy myself that the world exists - it's right there in front of me. How can I verify God exists? Exactly. x An internet fud is still a fud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJCTON Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 there is a god and he is a horny mother..................i have proof I have no compunction in saying that if some chap starts throwing grenades or starts using pistols, we shall kill him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Your point is also crap. I can easily satisfy myself that the world exists - it's right there in front of me. How can I verify God exists? Exactly. x My point is crap! My seconds will meet your thirds to discuss a meeting on the field of honour. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMC Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 To say there is definately no God would be as ridiculous as saying there definately is one as it would require putting your faith in the unknown. 99% is as far as you can stretch without becoming hypocritical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_McB Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 none of us actually knows the answers with 100% certainty. Careful now, talking sense in this forum, you can get arrested for that. Although the probability of god existing is pretty low given that that theory is just one of an infinite number of probabilities. Don't think that probability works like that, if it did we could conclude that a God either exists or doesn't, thus there is a 50% chance that God exists. As I say, fairly certain that probability theory does not work like that and can offer no light on the question. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."The goal of Socialism is Communism- Lenin Je ne suis pas Marxiste : K Marx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggsTON Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Here we go round the mulberry bush. Welcome back MJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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