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capitanus

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In Topic: General Football - Weird Results And Other Things Worth Sharing

19 April 2019 - 10:36 AM

London's a s***ehole.

I'm indifferent to Man City, to be honest. You hear a lot of sanctimonious drivel about the money and all that, but a big whack of their fans were supporting them before the money came along and a decent number will have seen them relegated, all in the shadow of a much bigger, richer club.

It's hard to take a lot of the whinging seriously from people who have latched on to other big clubs from the off - you can't really be sitting in London with a Man Utd badge as your Twitter profile picture and piss and moan about glory-hunters.

Every big team has became a big team because they've had more money than most others.

England's population make-up is considerably different from that of Scotland, as it has always been a more transient eg. People move around for work, study, family reasons etc. So it wouldn't be unusual for someone from Northwest of England to reside within the home counties.

Also,

Not everyone has a 'local' team, for example, if you stayed in the home counties - Haywards Heath or Hemel Hempstead for example - who are your local team? Yes, there will be teams within a 20 mile radius of various status, but you may not feel an emotional attraction or attachment to them. Man United were a club of convenience for many, they played nice Football, had the best players at the time, offered a bit of glamour, excitement and entertainment, were easily accessible and provided the perfect 'ready made' turnkey experience for the brand new Football fan.

Also, the name 'Man United' has more than one meaning, to most of us Man may be shortened for Manchester but if you are a young kid in Seoul, South Korea or in the Philippines and you are getting your first seeds of interest in Football, it could easily translate as 'Mankind United' - a club for everyone, everywhere.

There has been some top notch marketing over the years behind that club. Despite all their hundreds of millions invested from their Arab owners, Man City will never come close to being as popular Man United off the Park, and Man United will return to the top of the tree in footballing terms soon.

In Topic: General Football - Weird Results And Other Things Worth Sharing

18 April 2019 - 11:18 PM

London's a s***ehole.

I'm indifferent to Man City, to be honest. You hear a lot of sanctimonious drivel about the money and all that, but a big whack of their fans were supporting them before the money came along and a decent number will have seen them relegated, all in the shadow of a much bigger, richer club.

It's hard to take a lot of the whinging seriously from people who have latched on to other big clubs from the off - you can't really be sitting in London with a Man Utd badge as your Twitter profile picture and piss and moan about glory-hunters.

Every big team has became a big team because they've had more money than most others.

Aye, I don't think anyone could begrudge the hardcore City fans any sort of success given what they had to watch United achieve over the last 25 years. Premier League fans are quick to moan about the gloryhunters and the armchair fans, but their league would be absolutely nothing without them.

Manchester United's success didn't happen overnight, and it all happened in a more organic manner than a lot of people nowadays would perhaps give them credit for. There was a four or five seasons of mid-table mediocrity when Alex Ferguson had taken over from Ron Atkinson in 1986, followed by a perfect storm of events which worked in Man Utds favour. These include, in no precise order:

English teams being banned from European tournaments following the Heysel disaster;

The Hillsborough disaster followed by Taylor Report;

The Liverpool/Everton dominance from the previous decade coming to an end;

The advent of Satellite Television, The creation of the FA Premiership and changes to distribution of TV Money;

Football becoming an attractive and interesting pastime for an increasingly upwardly mobile and affluent middle class, which happened in the aftermath of the 1990 world cup.

English clubs being allowed back into European tournaments, and Man United winning the European Cup Winners Cup on the first year back.

Man United winning the inaugural FA Premiership.

The 'coming of age' of the product of Bobby Charlton's soccer schools which scouted the whole of the UK over the previous decade for the best young players and unearthed some gems including Paul Scholes, David Beckham, The Neville Brothers and Nicky Butt.

Eric Cantona volleying a Crystal Palace fan for abusing him.

Arsenal manager George Graham getting the sack over illicit payments, followed by Bruce Rioch spunking an absolute fortune at the time on a mid-table finish.

Man United were the right club at the right time who were well managed and run and able to capitalise both on and off the park on what was things happening in Football. It wasn't someone turning up out of the blue and looking to launder a sovereign wealth funds profits, it was a lot more organic than that.

Edit to add: a lot of younger people who grew up in the era of Man United's dominance probably don't realise that Liverpool were the dominant club a few years beforehand, and pissed everyone off even more.

In Topic: Bradley Welsh

18 April 2019 - 02:32 PM

Call me cynical but folk don't tend to get targeted and gunned down for no reason.


He was no saint, and will have no doubt made enemies throughout the years whether it was to do with the casuals scene or his business activities, or even in his personal life. So you are right, there will have been a motive but nontheless behind every victim there are families, friends and loved ones.

In Topic: General Football - Weird Results And Other Things Worth Sharing

17 April 2019 - 10:49 PM

I also hate Spurs and how globalization and TV money has allowed them to become decent.
Just a jumped up West Ham. Hope they **** off soon.


West Ham will not **** off anytime soon either.

London is emerging as one of European Football's major cities, although it always has been to an extent, but with Chelsea's success, plus Arsenal and Tottenham being regulars in the latter stages in both UEFA competitions, West Ham supporters will be demanding that level of success too and their owners will speculate accordingly.

In Topic: General Football - Weird Results And Other Things Worth Sharing

17 April 2019 - 10:28 PM

I f*cking hate Spurs.


I also hate Spurs and how globalization and TV money has allowed them to become decent.

Just a jumped up West Ham. Hope they **** off soon.


Perfectly summed up. Horrible team.


Not as much as I despise Man City.

Let's face it, Spurs are and always will be a big city glamour club, always destined to show promise and being thereabouts without actually achieving anything, however a natural order won't have returned to English football until Man City are skint and scrambling about the relegation zone.